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iPhone 15 is coming next month, and multiple rumors suggest Apple will finally switch from its proprietary Lightning connector to…
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When does USB-D come out?
When they need a new standard to replace all the disparate current ones.
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I guess never since phones have to use this. Unless everything else changes to USB-D and phones have to stay on C
I can’t find any more info on the Saudi law, but I believe the EU law at least has provisions for moving to a new standard in the future if a better alternative comes along. So when USB-D arrives, if it is seen to be a better standard, the EU can mandate that it becomes the new charging standard.
it’s good that Saudi Arabia did this but its hard to feel good about such a screwed up, journalist murdering country.
So like Hotler building the Autobahn?
MBS less evil than apple?
These laws are fine until something better than c comes out. Then we have to wait for laws to be updated to make changes. We all know how slow government moves.
That kind of things are not wrote as laws. What they usually do, is wrote a law creating a regulatory body, or given the power to an existing one, that can determine how it works. So, when new technologies come around, the regulator just need to update the regulations without the need of a new law.
If this is anything like Europe’s bill then if the USB-IF decides on USB D then they’d follow suit and switch to it.
USB-C is still easier than Lightning which I feel is the point?
USB-C isn’t better than lighting when it comes to being a port on your phone. With how poorly implemented C is on most devices, the only thing it would have going for it is the interior ability of USB 2.0.
The thing though is that lightning port is proprietary to Apple while USB is an open standard (in the sense that anyone can use it in their products. There are fees to have a vendor ID)
You have all these USB devices at home, but you need another cable for your phone only to line a company’s pocket.
Apple can absolutely implement USB-C properly and stop fleecing their customers
It being proprietary is virtually irrelevant considering how many bootleg products out here use it. And now all those bootleg manufacturers are going to make USB-C stuff that isn’t up to spec.
It being proprietary stops people from actually implementing it correctly.
It closes the market to either buy a 40$ cable from Apple which is fucking highway robbery, or you get shitty knockoff. No in-between. Proprietary has never been a good thing for consumers and never will.
It’s USB-2, wtf are you talking about?
It used to be that Apple wanted to have their own standard in part to be able to sell more cables. By switching now, is actually not stupid- everyone have to buy new cables again
Not really, most people already have USB-C Cables. And Apple already doesn’t include Chargers in their stuff anyway.
I think I read a rumor a while back that iPhones will still limit your charge rate if you don’t have an approved cable. I don’t know if that’s still the case, but I could see it.
Sounds illegal.
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I think they’ll just improve their MagSafe cable capabilities to try and get customers to buy that instead of the regular usb-c cable. But the rumor always sounded like bs to me. It’s just too on the nose.
From what I’ve read only Apple cables will work with limitations put on regular usb-c cable. Typical Apple nonsense.
Yeah and they will be hit with a brick by EU for it… But USB-C Thunderbolt should do the trick.
Apple doesn’t deserve an EU bricking, maybe a large marble slabbing or a small stone condoing.
They deserve a mountain dropping on them.
As does every US tech giant. We’ll run out of mountains
Aside from my iPhone, keyboard, trackpad, and the puck end of my watch charger I own nothing that doesn’t use USB C at this point.
So far, nothing I’ve ever owned has had a C connector, I have two computers with c ports, but nothing to plug in to them. Also, does the thunderbolt look like the USBc? If you plug in a thunderbolt device into a USBc, does it work or burn out the port?
Edit: why did this get only 18 downvotes?
That’s actually impressive you’ve managed to stay in the past so long.
I have always striven to remain at the cutting edge of obsolescence. It is fun to keep old tech going
Thank you for being the kind of person I sell my used tech to so I can buy new tech. You are a hero.
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What devices do you have that connect over usb-c aside from a phone? As far as I’ve seen, it’s still not common for keyboards, mice, webcams, controllers, monitors, printers, or external drives (though I’d admit drives are becoming more common, particularly for ssds). I’m honestly curious, because I feel like I’m missing out.
All my gadgets use USB-C. Bluetooth headphones, eReader, laptop, printer, power bank, 360 camera, they all charge via USB-C.
Hell, even my neck cooler runs off it.
Ah, for charging, sure. The comment I was replying to seemed like they were talking about interacting/interfacing via usb-c with their desktop, not just charging, which is certainly becoming more common.
To be clear - they also work with data transfer (well, except the power bank and neck cooler).
I copy ebooks to my reader over USB, transfer photos off my camera, and print photos - all via USB-C.
My headset, watch, powerbank, Nintendo switch, my TV remote
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Just about everything except truly basement-tier China tech sitting in warehouses has C now so you’ll soon be glad to have the ports.
USB C is a form factor (pretty little reversible oval cable). Thunderbolt is a protocol and yes it uses USB C for the form factor. Other protocols on USB C cabling include 2.0 (ancient speed, used for charging only these days), 3.1 (old speed) 3.2 (slightly old but also not, it’s weird, and most common nowadays), DisplayPort (lovely modern video standard), and USB4 (which is newest and fast, but not quite as fast as TB). Decent rule of thumb is USB4 will always be one step behind Thunderbolt in speed (currently ~80gbps vs 40gbps in USB4). The cable will work at the fastest speed permitted by both devices. If they both have TB, then TB speed and power. If only one is TB, it’ll go at USB speed over yes the same cable because…
Lastly, any proper spec cable will negotiate the best, safest power transfer between chargers and devices. So just don’t buy complete junk, read a couple reviews, you’ll almost certainly be fine.
2.0 (ancient speed, used for charging only these days)
And for uploading the firmware into nearly every small device you have that has a microcontroller with some flash memory on it. They still use TTL serial, so a USB 2.0 to TTL serial adapter is often used. It’s also still widely in use for, again, programming of things like commercial/industrial fire/burglar alarm panels.
Often, things we consider “old” in the consumer space go on to live for decades just fine in the industrial/commercial space.
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Iirc thunderbolt looks like usb-c and it even works with usb-c, you just won’t get the extra bandwidth and some devices won’t work properly.
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Type C is the connector which can either be power only, power and data, power data and video, or thunderbolt which is basically faster power data and video. You can’t really burn out the port with the wrong device or charger, it either won’t charge, charge slowly, or not work.
Thanks for answering. Is a old computer with thunderbolt 2 port able to connect thunderbolt 3 & 4 monitors or storage devices? I’m tempted to get an old thunderbolt 2 card for my computer, but don’t know if it’s really a useable port in 2023
Thunderbolt 2 can support a single 4K monitor and they still make TB2 external storage devices. Apple makes a bidirectional adapter that will allow some 3&4 devices to work with a 2 port but every device is different and most will not be officially supported. Link to adapter is https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MMEL2AM/A/thunderbolt-3-usb-c-to-thunderbolt-2-adapter
I would not add a TB2 card to an older machine though. Just find an adapter that works with the fastest port on that machine. There are plenty of devices that work well with usb3.
Watch America have Elon develop a new USB that only Americans use. (But really it’s just a USB-c that looks like weird sci-fi.)
This article has nothing to do with the country or person you mentioned…
…no shit Post Nazi. Why can’t people mention USA, or EU or whatever country?
People are talking about USB c and countries… That’s on topic… That’s ITT.
So what’s your issue?
Can you go back to reddit?
What’s your problem?
You seem to be creating things to be angry about and then get upset when others are not.
