I’m not trying get around the_dunk_tank’s rule 8 with this post- loathsome as both these guys are, I think this exchange actually does illustrate a real tension and contradiction within American reactionaries and within American capitalism. The petty-bourgeois tyrant wants the most exploitable worker and the white lumpen-prole feels entitled to be a labor aristocrat. Interesting and unresolvable contradiction that exemplifies why fascism is ultimately unworkable.

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    I really like it when conservatives talk about “their jobs” being “stolen” by immigrants, as if the slaughterhouse and picking fruit in 120 degree weather with little protection are highly coveted jobs by Americans. These jobs are looked down upon as for reserved for uneducated, unskilled people, but when lower class people take up those jobs, Americans still get pissed off lol.

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      My dad and grandpa were those immigrants lol they told me I had to figure something out because that shit sucks. Unfortunately best I could come up with is tradesman. Definitely a step up but nothing to write home about.

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    yeah just to be clear, when every lord with a bit of land and a few slaves is demanding that they perform at optimal efficiency, that’s a sign that your human-mulching death machine has about run out of victims. literally the fall of the roman empire, currently the fall of amerikkka.

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    It’s not an unresolvable contradiction.

    This is class conflict visible within fascism. The resolution of this contradiction is the same resolution throughout historical materialism - revolution and the construction of a different society that loosens the relationship between ruling class and exploited class.

    Many have phrased fascism as a means of exterminating and cleansing socialists from society, like an antibody mechanism. But another interpretation could be that one of the defence mechanisms that capitalists have found to prevent capitalism from moving forwards to socialism is to roll capitalism backwards to a form of barbarism so that the revolution that does occur only re-instates capitalism rather than moving forwards to socialism.

    If the resolution of contradictions through class conflict is inevitable and society generally moves forwards when these revolutions occur then it stands to reason if you intentionally roll things backwards then you can functionally limit the amount of forward movement that occurs. Fascism can be seen as a function of frustrating the inevitable path of historical materialism.

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      It’s not an unresolvable contradiction.

      This is class conflict visible within fascism. The resolution of this contradiction is the same resolution throughout historical materialism - revolution and the construction of a different society that loosens the relationship between ruling class and exploited class.

      You’re right, and I’m sorry because I may have poorly phrased what I meant. I mean it’s unresolvable within the framework of fascism, that fascism is unable to resolve this contradiction. Is that clearer?

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        No no you don’t need to to be sorry about it. I just wanted to point out we’re just watching the same historical force play out in a different form. It’d be legitimately interesting if not for the horror involved with it.

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    mr tiger can get his odious honor of being hired by the “tribe” when the last vestigages of labor protection & welfare are eliminated.