https://lemmy.world/comment/3519515
Why do libs always rush to defend abhorrent things with “🤓👆but achtually it’s technically not illegal”.
And in any case, according to the unanimous vote (sans US and Israel ofc) in the UN every year, the blockade is illegal and a violation of the UN Charter.
Why do libs always rush to defend abhorrent things with “🤓👆but achtually it’s technically not illegal”.
Treaty of Westphalia brain: Foreigners can’t tell a ruler what to do in their country". I think this premise was rejected, in theory, after WWI/WWII.
The rebuttal to that adulation of power and legality is simple: Bring up the legality of Jim Crow, Apartheid, slavery, Nuremburg Laws & Third Reich. Legality and national sovereignty has its limits, and the adulation of either is not sacrosanct and is malleable to the cultivation and protection of human development and quality of life.
Idk, Cleverdawny/lemm.ee is probably an anti-communist using tortured logic as justification to torment Cuba rather than an honest yet misguided conclusion.
Opening dialogue with “Yeah. No.” will instantly make me want to bash your noggin off the sidewalk no matter what words follow it
“Yeah. No.”
It’s never illegal to not trade with a country
The WTO has entered the chat
The UN is a political organization and says whatever countries vote it to say. It’s also not a legislative organization, it’s basically a big political club of people who like to write strongly worded letters about things. Only the UNSC has teeth, and that hasn’t declared it illegal for obvious reasons.
The U.S. can veto its own condemnation, therefore the U.S. can never be condemned. Checkmate, tankies.
they’re right, “international law” is a joke that large nations use to justify their treatment of small nations, but never vice versa.
How about Cuba’s sovereign right to host as many nuclear weapons and missiles as it God damn wants?
Patently demonstrably empirically misinformation. Full stop. The adults in the room are making the tough decisions, you sweet summer child. That’s not how any of this works honey. Tell me you don’t know anything about the most important election of our lifetime without telling me
If money is a form of speech, it’s actually unconstitutional to deny me the ability to purchase something. Therefore an embargo that prevents me from buying Cuban cigars is illegal.
I’m actually planning on going next summer, and the American government has a very long list of places in Cuba that it is apparently ILLEGAL for me to spend money at. (basically any Government owned place, which being a socialist nation is quite a lot) This includes basically all hotels for example.
It’s illegal for me to go to another country and spend money at a hotel, according to MY government. Land of the free lmao wtf
Folks, it never fails
What’s the context? Chastising a comrade for not donating to the Dems lmao?
arguing that hexbear is using trans and gay people as a shield for, uh, conniving schemes, or something
Legalism is the worst argument as it ignores so many factors at play, like wow. The biggest economy in the Americas is abusing their power dynamics to strangle a smaller nation at its doorstep, just because it had the gall to defy them.
And yet China is considered the worse and more evil to these people, despite not acting as bad as the US on its breakaway state on its doorstep.
If China did something like an embargo they would be yelling murder and crying crocodile tears.
China is evil because they didn’t get a septugenarian from Kansas to say that it’s legal for them to give money aid to African countries without demanding blood sacrifice.
“America can trade with whoever they want”
IT LITERALLY STOPS COUNTRIES THAT TRADED WITH CUBA FROM TRADING WITH THE USA. IF YOU DOCK A SHIP IN CUBA, THAT SHIP CAN’T BE DOCKED IN THE USA FOR ANOTHER 13 (?) MONTHS, SINCE AMERICA IS THE ECONOMIC CENTER OF GRAVITY OF THE ENTIRE WESTERN HEMISPHERE, THIS EFFECTIVELY BLOCKS CUBA FROM GETTING THINGS IT NEEDS LIKE MEDICAL EQUIPMENTS, WHILE BASICALLY THREATENING TO SABOTAGE THE ECONOMY OF ANYONE WHO TRADES WITH CUBA!!! IT’S NOT JUST AMERICA “NOT WANTING TO TRADE WITH CUBA” AS A “PROTEST” TO CUBA’S “AUTHORITARIANISM”. THE EMBARGO HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 60 YEARS AND WAS BASICALLY AMERICA TAKING REVENGE ON CUBA FOR NATIONALIZING ITS SUGAR INDUSTRIES AND REFUSING TO BE A CASINO FOR THE AMERICAN MAFIA. WHERE ARE THESE “LEGALIST” ARGUMENTS WHEN IT COMES TO THE AMERICAN TORTURE DUNGEONS IN GUANTANAMO BAY, WHICH IS CUBAN SOVEREIGN TERRITORY AND WHICH CUBA HAS REJECTED OUTRIGHT FOR DECADES???
THE UN HAS VOTED TO END THE EMBARGO FOR 30 YEARS STRAIGHT BUT AMERICA DOESN’T CARE:
THE ONLY COUNTRY THAT SIDES WITH AMERIKKKA ON THIS IS ISNTRAEL AND (KINDA SORTA) UKKKRAINE
I can’t understand Ukraine’s position on this. This was their position prior to the invasion too. It must be America simping. Most other European countries, including those that were invaded by Russia and have beef with Russia, support Cuba despite its automatic siding with Russia on every issue.
lol, even the biggest US simps in Europe like Germany, Finland and TERF Island voted to end the embargo though.
And also I don’t think the embargo is America’s worst modern crime against Cuba. Their worst crime is desecrating the pure soil of Cuba with a McDonald’s (in the illegally occupied territory/torture camp of Guantanamo Bay)
Though in good news I’m hoping to visit Cuba next summer. Any advice on visiting?
Stay in casa particulars (no hotels or resorts). Take a lot of euros or dollars with you. You can exchange the for pesos on the street for a much higher rate than at the bank. Save some of those euros/dollars for long taxi rides. Absolutely use express VPN if you intend to book buses using their viazul website. You won’t be able to pay for your bus otherwise. First thing you do when you get there is try to acquire a sim card. I would advise doing it officially and not picking one up of a street vendor as 50% of the time you’ll find the SIM gets cancelled.
Visit baracoa, viñales, Santa Clara, Santiago de Cuba, Trinidad, and Havana (both old Havana and the suburbs).
Drink a canchanchera. Go to all the local music halls you can. Drink a michelada. Smoke their cigarettes (Jesus they are good). Eat the seafood in baracoa. Dance. Try not to get too caught up in tourist traps. Talk to locals (learn more Spanish than I did). Have fun.
