• disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
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    That should be clear. Palestine is a nation, but not a location.

    Edit: I don’t know why people are so upset. This is a factual statement, not meant to discredit Palestine, and is a very important part of Israel’s oppressive leverage. As a direct result of their displacement, Palestine is a people. The nation is wherever the Palestinians live. The land they govern is only defined by their occupation.

    Palestine is recognized by the UN as self-determined nation of people. It is not a country with internationally recognized borders. That is why their land is referred to as Palestinian territory and not the country of Palestine. It’s also why Netanyahu wants to evict them for easy circumvention of international law prohibiting settlements in occupied Palestinian territory.

    https://www.un.org/unispal/document/the-right-of-the-palestinian-self-determination-19-dec24/

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      not a location

      …what?

      Palestine, officially the State of Palestine, is a country in the southern Levant region of West Asia. It encompasses two disconnected territories — the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, collectively known as the Palestinian territories — within the larger region of Palestine.

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      And as a nation it has been in the news a lot lately. And may be divided into an Eastern portion, and a Western portion, no?

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      People outside of the US probably don’t know about the train wreck in Ohio. It never hurts to add a little clarification.

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        With all the stuff going on, i am in the us and forgot their was a train wreck in ohio.

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      A. it’s both.

      B. This is the United States where we regularly question why the FBI isn’t stopping Russian influence in the Georgian Parliament.

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        It’s not according to the UN. Their occupied land is Palestinian territory. If they vacate, it is no longer theirs, leaving it available for Israel to claim. It’s a large part of the occupation problem that Palestinians face.

        In contrast, Ukraine has internationally recognized borders. The currently Russian occupied towns and cities are still Ukraine, not Russia.

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          Is that not a geographical location then? So they are both a nation and a country?

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            They are a nation, not a country.

            “Nation” refers to a group of people who share a common culture, history, and language. It’s a term that’s often used to describe a community of people who identify with each other and have a sense of shared identity.

            On the other hand, “country” refers to a geographical area that is controlled by a government. It’s a more concrete term that describes a physical location rather than a group of people.

            https://thecontentauthority.com/blog/nation-vs-country

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              I’m aware of the difference. But your own post mentions the geographical area that Palestinians govern. So I’m at a loss as to how you can day there isn’t also a Palestine country?

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                They only govern it because they reside in it. The governance of land is what defines the “state” in nation-state. Unlike in a country, if they leave an area, it is no longer Palestine. That’s a problem for Palestinians. If they vacate due to bombings, they forgo the right to their territory. That’s exactly why Netanyahu is trying to force evacuations. International law is against Israeli settlements in occupied Palestinian territories, not Palestine, because it is not a recognized country.

                In contrast, the same actions in Ukraine do not change that it’s still Ukraine. When the Ukrainians evacuate and Russia takes control of a city, it becomes a Russian occupation of Ukraine.

                I’m just trying to educate on the matter, not discredit Palestine at all, but people seem to be too sensitive to want to know the intricacies of the problem.

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                  That’s just how being a country works. Of course you can’t govern the area if you leave.

                  But I think what you’re actually talking about is the Oslo accords, which are completely fucked and were supposed to be a temporary phase leading to a two state solution.

                  See the thing is the borders of West Bank and Gaza are well known. It’s just people that try to downplay illegal settlements and land grabs that pretend they aren’t well known.

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                    That’s simply not true. Canada’s borders are internationally recognized, even though Newfoundland is mostly unpopulated. The same can be said for Siberia in Russia.

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      You don’t appear to know the difference between a country and a location.

      Palestinians do not care much that they do not fit your arbitrary Western definition of a country.