President Joe Biden could make a decision within days whether to remain a candidate for reelection, said Hawaii’s governor who participated in a recent meeting with Biden and other Democratic governors and whose family has known the president for years.
And if Biden decides not to run, Hawaii Gov. Josh Green told The Associated Press on Saturday that he believes the president will designate Vice President Kamala Harris to replace him on the ticket.
Green, who was a physician on Hawaii’s Big Island before he was elected governor, said everyone has parents or grandparents who have moments that aren’t that great or pauses in their ability to express themselves clearly. But, he added, they aren’t discarded because of their experience, wisdom and their role in the family.
Green was quick to point out that Trump is only three years younger than Biden and both will have bad days going forward. But he argued that temperament is more important than age.
“For God’s sake, these two guys have to hold the nuclear codes,” Green said. “I don’t want someone who tweets in the middle of the night and rages at other countries. That is not good. That’s not the problem we have with President Biden.”
Well personally, I don’t want an openly fascist raving lunatic to be US president, but that’s just me, of course.
That sounds more like Trump than Biden. The trouble is Trump is probably what we’ll get if Biden doesn’t suck it up and drop out of the race.
Of course I meant Trump. How can that not be blindingly obvious?
It’s impossible to tell without knowing whether you’re taking to a Trump cultist.
Poe’s Law
It was
It’s just sort of a non sequitur if it’s about Trump - this is an article about picking a candidate to maximize Dem chances of beating Trump, neither side of the argument on who that should be wants Trump.
I don’t think we’ll fare any better if Harris gets the nomination either. I don’t understand why the party keeps backing the most unlikable candidates possible over and over and over.
Because they’ll rather turn over their country to the fascists than nominate someone who might upset their sponsors.
I have wondered how it would be possible to change the ticket into anyone else but Harris at this late stage. There is no time to do a new set of primaries. Harris is at least the VP on the ticket and the person whose job it would be to step in for Biden anyway.
How could he just designate some random person and everyone who voted Biden just has to go with it?
If Biden drops out, it’s an open convention. The party can put Harris or anyone else forward as their preferred candidate, but the delegates aren’t pledged to them the way they currently are to Biden. Anything could happen at that point, really.
I understand how it’s procedurally possible to do. But why would everyone accept having the delegates at the convention just vote for some random person that the people didn’t get to vote on themselves? People around here talk about how the 2016 primary was so undemocratic because they had stuff like superdelegates, but at the end of the day the process was actually pretty democratic, unlike choosing someone totally unrelated after the primaries.
To me, Harris is the only one you could just put in place and say this is still the ticket you voted for. Anyone else, I don’t know how you pull it off.
The DNC nomination process is fairly democratic, but not entirely. Ultimately, the party delegates who are sent to the convention decide who the nominee is. By the time the convention happens this is usually a formality, but there have been open or brokered conventions before. You can look up and read very quickly how the process works, it’s not that complicated.
The reason people were mad about 2016 is that the DNC has rules that allow party leaders to put a thumb on the scale (sometimes a heavy thumb or multiple digits) if they don’t approve of how things are going. This is why Bernie wasn’t butthurt about losing whereas his following was; he knew the rules going into it, that not only would he have to overcome the superdelegates, but also anything else the party luminaries had in their back pocket along the way.
All that being said, the delegates who go to the convention are determined by the state primaries and are all for Biden this election. This means that if Biden does drop out, they are likely going to tow whatever line the higher-ups in the party want, which will be Harris. In the unlikely event that they don’t, there could be more of a contest, but they still have to reckon with the superdelegates.
I’m not saying people would accept it. But honestly, I’m not entirely convinced people will accept anything at this point.
he’s already decided.
he decided a week ago.
you backhandedly calling for him to drop out only fuels the bullshit media narrative that’s not focused on trump’s myriad of seriously disqualifying incidents OR project 2025.
I’d rather have the media talk about Biden than give Trump EVEN MORE attention. The psychology of advertising has shown that the cliche “All publicity is good publicity” is literally true on a population scale of at least a few thousand. Discussing Biden on the news cycle, positively or negatively, makes him more likely to win more votes. That’s why he will not and should not drop out now.
To be clear: I wish he had stepped aside for a different democratic candidate in 2020. But since then, I don’t believe there was ever a good time to shift attention to a replacement who would be popular enough to beat Trump.
Maybe I’m extremely cynical, but unless it was like Bernie Sanders (which we all know they wouldn’t allow to replace Biden) I don’t think it will matter much if he leaves or stays.
If he leaves, Trump will win, enact project 2025, jail political opponents, then murder them, then other massacres and mass imprisonment will occur amongst “unamericans.”
If he stays, Trump is less likely to win, but the Nazis didn’t take over Germany peacefully. For all the lethal defense systems the White House has, it doesn’t matter against sheer numbers of stupid people. The only way this works is if a significant majority of Americans say no to trump, and and oppose a coup. This won’t happen.
I think if you live in a state that will be directly impacted by project 2025 (most states, some northern ones have no shale oil and have no immediate plans) shits gonna get real shitty real quickly.
I also think this will become an era of true fuck around and find out. The blue states can refuse to fund the U.S. government. Good luck getting the military to do anything if they don’t get paid.
If Trump wins it will be a political coup followed by a military junta within a few years once it becomes clear how badly Trumps plans really fuck the overall economy.
On the bright side - cheaper real estate?
(Current living standard not guaranteed)
I mean, I doubt it. Trump is a real estate guy. I am sure he is gonna “official act” his way to using eminent domain or some other such nonsense to transfer numerous large corporations holdings to “the government” (a subsidiary of Trump, Inc.).
He will “nationalize” tons of industries just so he can reap the rewards… There won’t be rewards to reap because this will destroy the economy and trust in the economy being fair at all. (Already a lot of distrust in markets being fair, this will weaponize that valid distrust)
I don’t understand this. Biden already said he didn’t plan to drop out.
That’s exactly what I would expect him to say, until he drops out, at which point I would expect him to say that it was his plan all along.
He’s stated that publically, yes. But who knows what’s being said behind closed doors.
VERMIN SUPREME 2024
He could also decide to drop out after the convention, which would bypass a lot of concerns about power struggles and in-fighting.
Yea, that’d be fucking atrocious.
https://piped.video/watch?v=s7L2PVdrb_8
(or for those who prefer … https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s7L2PVdrb_8 )
the trump legal team has a plan for that. they are going to sue (the swing) states that do not list biden as the democratic nominee. granted they probably won’t win, but the real point of the suits is to tie all of this up in court past the point where states certify elections throwing the election to the house where the president is voted on by state delegation, not house members and there are more majority republican state delegations than there would be republicans in the house (i’m predicting that the dems win back the house if only by states having redrawn maps. remember: the house that would convene to actually count the ec votes is sworn in on january 2, meaning this house wouldn’t vote on it) and trump gets elected again.
as bad as another four years of Biden or Trump would be could you imagine four years of Harris
extra police funding
more restrictive laws
backtracking on current progress such as cannabis
more people locked up
only difference is she would be younger and more in her mind to do so
Under Trump:
Never being able to vote again.
Martial law instituted across the country denying people of their First Amendment rights.
The abandonment of our allies.
Loss of the US Dollar as the world’s reserve currency
Political assassinations across the board to insure those of the fascist party remain in power.
Loss of civil rights for those not white and rich
End of various government services designed to keep us safe from contaminated food, water, and air
End of various government services for Healthcare, social safety nets, veterans services.
Extra police funding and broad immunity for police violence
Far more restrictive laws
Backtracking of current progress such as cannabis, marriage equality, interracial marriage
Way way more people locked up because republican programs are hated across the board
Massive tax cuts for billionaires and the middle class finally being broken so we slide into a pseudo feudal system
Unions being outlawed because fascists love that shit.
Anyone of a skin color not the shade of pale parchment being rounded up, thrown in camps, or deported.
End of birthright citizens so you as well get to enjoy the concentration camps until they kill you or deport you (eventually they get to outright killing because they are Nazis. It’s what they do)
Did I mention not being able to vote, protest, or voice your opinions without being shot, poisoned, or assassinated?
Trump is a piece of human waste. That he is the top candidate of the GOP says a lot about the abysmal condition America is in.
you know that for a fact, or are you just projecting?
prosecutors are charged with proving the city or state or federal government’s case against someone who has been charged with breaking the law. if congress doesn’t provide extra police funding, doesn’t pass more restrictive laws, doesn’t backtrack on current policy, and doesn’t lock more people up for non violent crimes guess what? she’s not going to do that either. i don’t see her going the unitary executive that a republican congress would allow a republican president to be because it sounds like she actually respects the rule of law and separation of powers.
Did she ever say that? Anyhow, MAGAts would be so delightfully infuriated.
