The British parliament has for the first time referred to Taiwan as an “independent country” in an official document, breaking a political taboo as Foreign Secretary James Cleverly visits China this week.

The new language, adopted in a report published Wednesday by the influential foreign affairs committee of the House of Commons, risks a stinging backlash from Beijing and comes as Cleverly becomes the first top British envoy to visit Beijing in five years amid a frosty relationship.

Beijing has long denied Taiwan’s statehood, insisting the self-governing democratic island is part of its territory. Only 13 countries around the world recognize Taipei instead of Beijing diplomatically.

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    Good. Taiwan is a country. They have a military, they make their own laws, they have their own passports, and (unlike China) they elect their government leaders.

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      What?! China has election too. Not only that, the congress will elect the president on behalf of their citizen so their citizen don’t need to waste their time going to election booth. Very convenient! Even the ballot only contains one candidate so there is no confusion when casting vote.

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      The thing about that is when those rebels have held the territory for nearly a lifespan, gotten international recognition and diplomacy, built one of the strongest militaries and armies in the world, and quite frankly it’s unthinkable to imagine a situation in which they lose the mainland without a world war level conflict then they’re just like a country. It doesn’t matter that neither is willing to cede the other’s existence. The ROC can be the ROC all it wants, but from an international perspective the country that has the most claim to mainland China is the People’s Republic of China. Both are runner up in claim to the territory the other holds, but boots on either’s ground is closer to a cascade to worldwide MAD than anybody seems comfortable with.

      Maybe I’m wrong but I’ve always figured taiwanian independence not to mean a name change but a mutual agreement of the other’s sovereignty over the territory they each hold and have for decades. Or in practical terms, the ROC admits it isn’t getting Beijing back and the PRC agrees to not try to conquer the island of Taiwan. Really calling it this and not a Chinese peace treaty is mostly just an acknowledgement of how ludicrously lopsided this conflict is without international support for the ROC

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      uhh yeah, so anyway, this is good news for Taiwan because they have a MASSIVE country on their doorstep that has been threatening to invade for decades now, and having another powerful country recognise their existence is great because it discourages mainland China from invading.

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        Tell that to Ukraine. So lucky to have the support of imperialist America who only have its best interests at heart.

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          Unironically yes? They would have been conquered and subjugated to a hostile imperialist power if not.

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            If America didn’t conquer and subjugate Ukraine then America wouldn’t have conquered and subjugate Ukraine. Tautology is tautological.

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              I know it might not be obvious to you, but the only imperialist power invading Ukraine is Russia.

              I know you think papa Vlad is going to bring back the Soviet Union and overthrow the capitalist pigs, but he isn’t. He wants to bring back the Russian empire of serfs. You know, the one the original Bolshevik revolution was against and that even Marx thought capitalism was in improvement upon.

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                Russia is not an imperialist power, this is just some propaganda you were fed to try to paper over the hilariously bad idea of an “unprovoked” invasion.

                Agreed on the rest, he wouldn’t mind at all if Russia became an empire of slaves like the USA.

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                  and what, pray tell, was the casus belli for this legitimate invasion of a neighbours territory?

                  I hope youre not just going to say Russian security concerns, because you wouldnt be hypocritical and say thats fine and the bay of pigs wasnt fine for American security concerns now would you?

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      Both are illegitimate rebels, bring back Ming dynasty.

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      Yep ironically it’s the autonomous mainland provinces which are stubbornly refusing to declare independence from the Republic of China. The ROC won’t stop them, they only have to want it. I mean quite a number of KMT folks would whinge but they’d accept it.

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    It’s worth pointing out that James Cleverly is the most inappropriately named person ever.

    I wouldn’t put it past them to have just accidentally released that document without thinking about the consequences.

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      May have been accidental, but it’s also possible that his department is trolling him, like the transport guys when they restricted travel from Spain to the UK just as soon as their boss, then Transport Secretary Grant Shapps arrived there on holiday.

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      He’s also the MP for Braintree in Essex. He’s the definitive disproof of the nominative determinism hypothesis if I’ve ever seen one!

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      Oh please let’s have the Chinese go into East Asia and get their asses handed to them again like the Vietnamese did.