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    Yeah, this can be a generational cultural difference.

    I mourned the death of my grandfather three separate times when my mother texted me “please call”. Each time when I called back I learned something different:

    1. We had to change our lunch plans.
    2. There was an alarming local news article about driving conditions.
    3. My grandfather had died.
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      The last time my dad called was 16 years ago when my mum was bleeding out after surgery and we didn’t know if she was going to make it.

      Other than that, it’s WhatsApp messages, and they’re usually about the dog.

      I would 100% think someone had died if my dad called.

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      This is probably family dependent. My family is similar to OP’s, we usually text if we want to have casual conversations. Voice calls are limited to serious topics only… unless I text them “hey, let’s have a call” or something like that first.

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    This is something that idk if I’ll ever get used to about lemmy

    It’s a meme. It’s a joke. It’s deliberately blown out of proportion.

    Y’all need to calm tf down.

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      I’m 40. I don’t even answer the phone if it rings. If it’s important they can leave a message.

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        Which I’ll check in a few days. If it’s important, and they are pinned underneath a vehicle about to die, they can send a voice memo.

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      Sorry if I don’t think minor topics are worthy of the immediate attention needed for a phone call?

      Phone calls are reserved for emergencies. Otherwise you’re just demanding the instant attention of someone for nothing.

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          I like to compare calling to someone knocking on your door incessantly for several seconds.

          You can ignore it or decline to answer. It’s still annoying af.

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          So why call in the first place? And how will I ever know what the call was about? Unless you text, of course, so why not just do that in the first place?

          You may not intent for it to be a demand, but unless you have your phone on silent, it will keep ringing and making noise until you do something about it. It demands an action, and tries to get your attention as much as possible.

          Which is why it’s designated to emergencies. This makes calling more useful as well, because now you know calls are more important, and can actually treat them with more urgency. Otherwise you’re just gonna end up ignoring what may be an actual emergency, because you treat every phone call the same.

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            Gen X here, only had a smartphone 5 years as before I was avoiding it. Typing is painful. Just answer the phone and we’ll get that query sorted in less time than I would take to type the initial question. Don’t be a big baby about it.

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              Millennial here and totally agree. There are times I don’t feel like talking and I simply don’t answer. How hard is it to answer normally though? If it’s not during work hours… If I’m busy I just call back. No idea why this is a weird awkward thing for so many

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              Did you know, as with most things, typing on a phone is a skill that improves with use. Get with the times, don’t be a big baby about it

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                Did you know that brain plasticity decreases with age? It means learning new skills becomes progressively harder and harder and harder.

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                  You specifically chose not to use smart phones until 5 years ago by your own admission, and are actively refusing to attempt to learn the new skill, get out of here with your brain plasticity argument. You’re doing this to yourself and ridiculing others

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              If it was not important enough to type it out, you can tell me next time we meet. I’ll stop answering your call after the second nonsense call you make.

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              I hate typing too but having to answer a phone call triggers PTSD. NOPE.

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                If it’s genuine PTSD then you have my every sympathy and I hope that you can get some peace from it.

                Nobody I’m calling have anything worse than lazyitis.

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                r/conservative might be a safe space where you feel more comfortable. Where feelings don’t matter and racism is acceptable, as long as it’s not anti-white. Seems you’re tRiGgErED bY wOkEnEsS

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                I could but I honestly don’t want to, it would take time and be a long post. If you really are in therapy you can talk with your therapist about the issue. But so I won’t let you go empty handed the simplest point: it’s a phone, it’s there to primarily make calls. Yes, in the last decade it finally got access to the internet; something I wished for for at least 20 years, but nevertheless, it’s a phone. It exists to make phone calls. If that’s really a big problem for you it’s not the phones problem, it’s not the caller’s problem, it’s your problem.

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          When you decline a call you don’t know what it’s about. The only thing I can think of when I family member calls and I decline a call is that they needed desperate help/were in an emergency and I just hung up on them.

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          Except the problem is I don’t know what the call is about so you’re asking me to make a except/declined decision with no information.

          If you send a text message I have the information.

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        Phone calls aren’t reserved for anything. They’re just phone calls. I’m a huge introvert but it’s like in one particular way millions of people decided to try and be the most annoying introvert possible

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      I don’t think all zoomers are, but a LOT of the people I know are TERRIFIED of phone calls. I was like that too, before I started applying for jobs and had to make like 3 calls a week.

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        Yeah, I’m a millennial and use to have terrible phone anxiety. It prevented me from being able to get a job for a long time. I would always try to go in person instead because it was less anxiety inducing but never got a job that way.

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        That’s about outgoing calls. Incoming calls still will be fullscreen pop-ups

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      It’s more of a Millenial thing. I’m 35 and I don’t pick up the phone ever unless it’s an emergency or a job interview.

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        I’m 36 and if you want to call me, then fine? Who cares? I don’t get why it’s such a big deal.

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          Because people suck, and they tend to be more rude on the phone. I don’t want to deal with it.

          Not to mention that he only time my phone rings, it’s almost always a scam. I prefer not to engage with bullshitters.

          If it’s important, then text me.

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          I don’t if you won’t text me. So it’s on you.

          Furthermore, in a real emergency, people tend to blow up your phone. So if someone is calling multiple times, of course I’ll answer, if nothing more than to yell at them for blowing up my phone.

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      Also almost 40. Fuck synchronous communications. Inferior in every possible way.

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        How can you even say that? If that’s how you live, no doubt this philosophy causes you issues at least once a week. You’d rather know that [insert major life event] happened…later… and instead of finding out immediately and confirming it/responding to it, you can try to call them later only for it now to be a hassle because they’re not answering, and the only email you have goes to some dumbass ai bot. Yeah so much more convenient than picking up a phone on occasion, when it’s important

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          Or the exact same thing happens and you can’t even get a response to them because you’re relying on a synchronous mode of communication which requires both parties to be engaged at the same time …

          Or you could just send them a message and they’ll see it when they look.

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      Young people don’t call unless it’s serious business.

      Why she reacted like that while also knowing her dad still calls people? No idea

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        Not just young people. I’ve seen this kind of behavior in surprisingly old people such as Gen X and even Baby Boomers, but I’ve seen it in a LOT of millennials, the youngest of whom are now in their early thirties and the oldest are in their forties.

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        Not just young people. I am 48, and if I get a call from my mom I would’ve thought something happened to my dad.

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          Yep. Basically any generation that grew up with texting and chat kinda leans this way… so millennials and younger. But also some gen x.

          Phone calls are for things that can’t wait and need the other person to drop what they’re doing, and things urgent like that tend to be medical or work stuff. Or things time sensitive in another way.

          Demanding the other person stop what they’re doing to attend to you immediately is considered kinda rude for minor topics when such an easy and less pushy alternative is available.

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            That’s funny, because my mom loses her shit if I don’t respond to her text message within 15 minutes. Then she rants on how her family abandoned her and she may as well be dead.

            Every damn time.

            She doesn’t call anymore though.

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          That’s funny because my mom just asked me when she can call me this morning and I’m going oh fucking he’ll I just started my vacation this better be something fucking stupid like if I can order her a grout cleaner. We usually texts. She knows I don’t answer calls and if it’s really important she can call twice. My job has been on the phone since I was in college so the last thing I want to do is talk on the phone.

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        Lmao this thread is so weird to read. My parents call me all the time to ask how I am. I also call them. And my friend from time to time and he calls me. Samesies for my fiancée. Normal stuff.

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        Hmm, I wonder if it could a cultural thing?

        I’m a millennial in Sweden and I have not experienced this phenomenon unless the person suffers social anxiety, though I must admit I have little contact with people under 25.

        To me a call is convenient when I’m biking or working with my hands, and I can’t tell you how many times a simple phonecall spared me endless back and forth over text or e-mail.

        Maybe I’m desensitized since I constantly receive and make calls at work.

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      Because phonecalls are reserved for when you immediately with no delay need someone.

      Asking about a show is not one of those cases.

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        Or just want to talk to someone? Why are we simultaneously normalizing anti-social behavior and wondering why the young people are so unhappy?

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          Why not text ‘wanna talk sometime’? A call demands an immediate response, so reserve it for things that demand immediate responses.

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            No it doesn’t. Just don’t pick up the phone. If it’s important they’ll text you to pick up the phone. There’s a reason the terms “phone tag” and “screening calls” exist.

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              But you don’t know the relative importance of what they’re telling vs what you’re doing. A text gives more information than just seeing your receiving a call.

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                That’s why people leave voicemails… you leave a verbal note of why you’re calling. And if the receiver prefers to read a text about it, several services transcribe voicemails automatically good enough to get the general gist. Or they can listen to them.

                The point is that people usually don’t set out to ruin your day or misbehave, and you cannot control other people’s experience, expectations and preferences, only your own. So it’s on you to know yourself well enough to manage your boundaries appropriately with technology/tools, and possibly communication, and not to blame other people for “missteps”. When what they are doing is likely perfectly within the realm of reason to them.

                Especially if they have a disability and calls are easier for them. If you have the disability, you can communicate your preferences but don’t expect people to know immediately. Set up your tech accordingly to communicate your needs. And acclimate where you can.

                If things “escalate”… well… it’s likely your fault. We always need to look at our part first.

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                  Nothing good ever came out of a voicemail I received. Disabled and wont enable again. Text me if it’s important enough for me to call back with a brief topic. I don’t call back if I don’t get a text, that’s reserved for maybe 5 people on earth.

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                  And if the receiver prefers to read a text about it, several services transcribe voicemails automatically good enough to get the general gist.

                  I use these. But they’re less direct and easier to misunderstand than if it was native text. If someone wants to say it, they can voice type as well.

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                  I don’t even get how voicemail works, last time I checked there was like 6 “unread” voicemails from months ago I never knew I’d gotten and it was just my mom saying “please call me back” or some inaudible noise and figuring out how to delete them is a pain too.

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                Damn dude, it’s not that big a deal. Just don’t pick up the phone. If it’s important they’ll find a way to let you know.

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                  if you don’t pick up they’ll get mad and say you never pick up your phone

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                  I don’t mind much. I just don’t call because it wastes people’s time. But I don’t want to let it go to voice mail because then it wastes their time.

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                  You will feel terrible if you don’t pick up the phone and it turns out to be something important, like being able to hear the last words of your grandma or something.

                  Texting is a lot less of a big deal than a phone call is.

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              I’m sorry, what’s “phone tag” and “screening calls”? Never heard of any of that.

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                Haha phone tag is what we used to do before text messages. Call each other over and over and you’re never both available 😂

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              Thanks for waking me up from the one nap I’ve gotten this year.

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              But it they are in the middle of something they could lose half a minute of time instead of 5 seconds checking a text. It’s the same as opening a phone call with ‘got time to talk’ but more efficient.

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                  Phone calls are never thirty seconds. It’s always fluffed up by twenty minutes of “how are you” and “what are your plans next week” like fam I’m trying to do the dishes and had to scramble to pick up the phone with wet hands, go away

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                If you’re in the middle of something, let it go to voicemail and check it when you’re done.

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              People are just sooooo busy with their SUPER IMPORTANT lives, that they definitely don’t have 5 minutes to spend unscheduled with the likes of you.

              Piss off and get in the text queue like everyone else!

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          Unless you know for sure that the other person is legitimately bored, sitting around not doing anything, imposing yourself on someone like this is rude.

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          Maybe this is just me and my circle but if someone just wants to talk I’d typically expect that more over discord or something like that rather than phone call unless they’re older.

          Other than that phone call is for urgent stuff or something that’s going to have a lot of back and forth and is quicker pver phone.

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            Sure, my work uses discord, and I know friends that use it. But my family doesn’t. Plus, if you do sales, or job searching, or anything that involves talking to people for work who don’t directly work for your company then Discord is a little awkward. A phone or zoom call is better.

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            Discord, that’s a good one. That’s a gaming communication app.

            You’ll be screwed in 4-5 years when it goes belly up.

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              No, Discord is a communication app that is mainly used for gaming.

              That is like calling Whatsapp a family communication app.

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          So when you “just want to talk” you call someone out of the blue and just expect them to stop what they’re doing and have a little chat? I had a friend like that and I hated it because they always called at the worst moments so I wouldn’t pick up and then they assumed I disliked them and played the victim by a mutual friend. That’s when I actually started disliking them. So don’t randomly call people please thank you.

          Also texting someone instead of talking isn’t antisocial behaviour. You can say as much in a text as you can say in a call and the other person can reply to your text and continue doing what they’re doing at the same time.

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        This is the first time in my life when I encountered an opinion that calling someone is somehow rude and reserved for emergencies. In my social circle and family people just call when they want to talk. Sure, we text often too, but calling is completely normal. And if you can’t or don’t want to talk, you just don’t pick up the phone.

        I’m genuinely baffled.

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      In our family it looks exactly like this, that’s why I found it very funny :)

      We usually just chat (or videochat) and when f.e. dad randomly calls me then it’s some serious business. And for that brief moment my mind jumps to most catastrophic scenarios why he could be calling me. And I think it goes both ways because when I call dad the first question usually is “Hi, did something happen?”

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      I react this way when my mom calls because she never calls me and the one time she did, it was because my grandmother died.

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        I can see why you’d fear phone calls then. In my family I get a call from my dad about once a week to ask about my day. Usually the family texts more in the mornings, and more phone calls in the evening. Plus for a while I had to pick up the phone anytime someone called for work reasons. You just get used to it after a while.

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        For real, the last 2 times my mom called me was to tell me my dad had a heart attack and that my nephew died, so I 100% expect something like that if she calls me.

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      Probably a normal thing in the US, where families are so broken by default a simple call from a parent sounds like a disaster.

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        Broken? What are you talking about? My dad started leaving me home alone for weeks at a time at age 12. By age 16 it was months at a time, and my house became the place where other kids came to hang out. I graduated college, or University. Then became a heroin addict. My family stopped talking to me because of this thing called “tough love”. Now, I’m all better and have my own family with kids and a partner, but my dad and sister wonder why I won’t let them be a part of it (my mom died when I was 8).

        You know regular all American family. Nothing weird, or dysfunctional here. Definitely not broken.

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          Same reason people at home just come up to each other and start talking (which actually requires immediate response) even when the topic is non-urgent whatsoever, instead of leaving notes around the house.

          It’s all based on differing conventions among people, so saying a call “demands immediate response” is putting your convention above others as the only true one.

          In my family the convention is a bit different. A single call does not signal any urgency and so no one is expected nor obliged to answer if they don’t feel like it. A second call after the first one wasn’t answered implies importance. Third and more calls imply urgency and then emergency. If something is important or urgent and calls aren’t getting answered, a message is sent.

          I like my convention. I also have slightly different conventions with some friends. I am also aware different people may have different conventions and I don’t hold mine to be superior or theirs inferior.

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            I agree your convention would supercede the one I’m taking about. I kinda like it too.

            I think conversation is different though since there is a major effort imbalance between writing a note and taking. But there is no effort imbalance in texting or calling, especially since you can voice type.

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            I see the confusion. I don’t ever want to have a conversation with anyone.

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      This image isn’t even referring to young people with phone anxiety, it’s about how you are conditioned to think an unexpected call from family is bad news.

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      I’m in my mid 40’s, late Gen X and I absolutely despise any phone calls I don’t decide to make myself, and out of respect for others who might feel like I do, I will try most other avenues of communication before resorting to a phone call.

      I didn’t use to mind them at all back in the land line days, but as soon as everyone started getting cell phones there was this undercurrent of expectation that every moment of YOUR time actually belongs to someone else…because you’re AVAILABLE ANYWHERE NOW.

      It started slow, but it didn’t get really bad until about 2007.

      It got to the point where people would get your voicemail, hang up, and redial over and over until I answered. I saw it happening more and more frequently to myself and many others, from all walks of caller.

      I finally started cutting people like that out of my life a few years ago because in the intervening decade and a half it hasn’t really gotten much better, except among the younger folks who just hate phone calls.

      It’s almost like Self + Possibility of Instant Gratification = Utter Fuckwad much of the time.

      It’s not about respect or anything, because fuck entitlement, but if it’s really not so ridiculously utterly important that I should be stopping mid-poop and doing something about it, LEAVE A MESSAGE. USE TEXT. USE E-MAIL, USE MESSENGER, USE ANYTHING ASYNCHRONOUS.

      Too many people’s priority is themselves and only themselves to the outright blatant detriment of others.

      It’s ridiculous, and I blame cell phones, social media, and large swaths of marketing and advertising firms for the cultural paradigm shift.

      The drain on a person’s emotional and mental resources when they feel a social responsibility to their relationships with their friends and loved ones but are always forced to do things on everyone else’s “me first” terms is the exact same sort of phenomenon that causes workplace burnout when jobs do it with things like not setting up a good work/life balance and not being proactive/planning in regards to workplace tasks/projects/deadlines. (Agile is a major offender here, as is scrum, and every management book from traction to…hell, pick any one of them, everything I’ve been forced to read is borderling toxic when applied.)

      Therapy’s great and all and I’m 100% in favor of it (for everyone, really), but when noone is respecting boundaries, there’s not a whole hell of a lot it’s going to do in this particular regard.

      Hell, I know a lot of people whose boundary is “no phone calls unless (list of super serious things like someone died) or we text first and agree on a phone call” and when someone potentially has that boundary and then panicks when they get a phone call outside of it, the solution might be a little more advanced than “seek help”. It sucks, (and there’s plenty of room for nuance) but I feel the change in culture is far more at fault here than anything else.

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        Tldr, but did you know that people (including you) can simply opt not to answer? That’s possible. If someone is a problem caller talk to them. You’re WAY overcomplicating this. Getting a phone call isn’t dramatic. Answer it or don’t.

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          Seriously, I read the first bit and just thought - if people didn’t want to accept calls they’ll just ignore it or put the phone on silent. Don’t overthink basic social interaction!

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      Cold calls are rude. My 76 year old mom will not cold call because she understands convention.

      Hardline phones had no way to ensure the timing of a call was considerate. Tech has moved on, and coordination is trivially easy. It is, in my opinion, rude to call or a sign of significant import.

      If my mom calls without texting, it’s an accident or imprtant/urgent.

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          You are a data point. However, I can probably guarantee you that people do not appreciate your approach to calls. If you’re in the US, at least.

          Given your grumpy retort to my anecdote about my preference, I’m going to wonder about your warmth.

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    This comic strip is flawed… nobody who would react that way to a phone call would have their phone out of silent mode.

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      The like 5 times I’ve heard my phone in a decade were all on accident.

      I was a shift manager at a casino. After that job ended, I’ve never had my phone off silent and I won’t talk on it unless it’s 200% necessary…I just perpetually and always have bad service…don’t ask about the faraday cage in my workshop, it came like that when I built it.

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    To me it feels texting takes longer. Call someone up and it’s done in less than a minute. Why write some long ass message?

    Most folks don’t even bother writing back… Message seen? Best forget about it.

    Edit: typo

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      Kinda depends, doesn’t it?

      Do they need to find the information you need or is it something they can answer off the top of their head?

      Does the phone call include formalities or is it just “Hey I need X” “Here’s X” “thanks, see ya!”

      Is this person likely to broach other topics or answer you and move on?

      Each method has its strengths depending on the question

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        This so much. Text/email/slack leaves a permanent, searchable record. Synchronous communication is complete garbage and there are very few scenarios where it should be tolerated, much less encouraged.

        Honestly, I’m at the point where if someone insists on calling, I assume they are up to something and are intentionally trying to not go “on the record”

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              Iphones are not:

              1. General-purpose comuters
              2. Phone
              3. Device owned by you instead of corporation
              4. Well-designed
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                An iPhone is not a phone and not well designed? Apple put the most thought into every detail and generally works generally well. It’s very much well designed because it does exactly what the designers want it to do. Yes it doesn’t mean it’s an ethical device or tinker- or repair-friendly. But “not well designed” just doesn’t float.

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                  Apple put the most thought into every detail

                  https://youtu.be/44DEgUXREUQ

                  It’s very much well designed because it does exactly what the designers want it to do.

                  You got me. You are entirely correct. They design well exactly because they wanted to design easily breakable(1m of free fall on carpet can break it) and unmaintainable phone.

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      If someone doesn’t write back it must not have been that important. I’m pretty much never just going to drop what I’m doing and answer the phone to have a conversation about an unknown topic which will take an unknown amount of time.

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    So many people (myself included) text as the default method of phone communication.

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      In some cases it’s more practical as you can keep multitasking. Especially for work I like when people send me emails or chat messages instead of holding meetings or barging into office, even worse video calls.

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        Even better, it’s asynchronous. I don’t have to answer right now, I can finish my current thought in my time and respond once I’m ready. That’s why I absolutely hate it if someone just calls me without writing first - it takes me so much longer to get back into things when I can’t close the thought properly.

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          Yes. I keep telling this to my business partners. They love to call to tell me what needs doing and I keep telling them, I can’t work while I talk to you. Send a message and it gets done in parallel.

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      I really want to add “if you don’t leave a voicemail with a description of what you’re calling about I’m not calling you back” to my work phone.

      I already don’t call back if they don’t leave a message. If it’s not important enough to them to leave a 10 second message it’s not important enough to me to call them back.

      Or when they send an email or teams message saying to call them but not giving a subject, then they ask for some information that I could have already had if I’d known what we were doing.

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        Or when they send an email or teams message saying to call them but not giving a subject

        It’s when they just put “Hi” and nothing else that gets me.

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    I have to call people for work to let them know when I’ll arrive to provide the service. 3/4 of the time nobody answers, of those half either don’t have vm setup or it is full and won’t take an messages. The only people who do pick up are the elderly.

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    Reading the comic and the comments it’s definitely a cultural/generational thing since there seems to be an even split between those that think a phone call is for urgent business only and those that think a phone call is no big deal and perfectly normal.

    It probably depends on whether someone grew up with texting or not. My family only just got smartphones this year and before that we didn’t even have a phone plan with data or texting so from my perspective, calling someone up is perfectly normal. I have noticed that since getting a smartphone, I’ve been primarily communicating with text messages (which from what I understand is also a bit outdated).