A new bid to place a measure on the ballot that would ask California voters to approve the state's secession from the U.S. has been cleared for signature gathering.
  • BodyBySisyphus [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    46·
    3 days ago

    The Good Timeline: Californian secession starts a socialist revolution on the West Coast.
    Our timeline: California becomes an AI-governed technofeudalist hermit kingdom constantly bathed in the smoke of year-round wildfires unsuccessfully fought by inmates imprisoned for minor offenses

    • free_casc [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      29·
      3 days ago

      Good socialism will happen in the global south. In the meantime it’s great for people living on the West Coast who have genuine progressive values and convictions to start to understand that there’s nothing worth saving about the US

    • Acute_Engles [he/him, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
      18·
      3 days ago

      Cascadia is coming back isn’t it? I don’t want to be a part of my country either but taking the entire west coast of North America is going to get us a lot of heat

      • free_casc [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        28·
        3 days ago

        Literal secession is not a practical reality. What is important is for people in our area to understand that if they want a bright future for the next generation, the united states is in full opposition to this, and that progressive politics will only be effective at the community and state levels.

        We need to guide our own destiny in spite of whatever the US government, thousands of miles away from us, may have to say about it.

          • free_casc [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
            20·
            3 days ago

            Cascadia is a few things:

            • A neat flag that people fly at soccer games and in a few of the bars around town.

            • a soc-dem ish “bioregional” “secession”-ish movement with eco-tendencies.

            • a bit account I do on here because I think it is the natural synthesis of marxist-hexbearist politics adapted to the conditions of this part of the world. I think that socialists here need to be thinking with “Cascadia” as a concept in mind, and focus on leveraging out local power instead of sending Bernie or Bernie 2.0 out to die on the altar every 4 years. We can build basic social democracy right here, and offer some resistance to the federal government. If other regions (California, “greater Idaho”, ???) also apply this sort of tension domestically, this weakens the United States, and may give our comrades in the global south the moment they need to break free of their chains.

            • prole [any, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
              13·
              2 days ago

              So we basically need to convince libs to build a kind of dual power via local government? That’s pretty much what Lenin was saying in 1917, but it wasn’t necessarily local vs national gov for them. I think it would work very similarly tho

              • free_casc [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
                15·
                2 days ago

                I’m glad it makes sense to you.

                The thing is that I’ve spent 4 years of going into my city and listening to liberals whine about Trump’s garbage of the day, and another 4 years of them passively accepting Biden’s presidency.

                Liberalism is a dead ideology, and if they are not going to realize how fascist the United States is and start leaning directly into resisting that, then they obviously don’t hate what’s going on as much as I do. I am a socialist, I care about my community and hate what capitalism is doing to it. It is unacceptable to let Trump soak up 4 more years of potential action.

                We start with “we need to form Cascadia and leave the US” and work backwards to something that is actually achievable (like, “we need to get socialists into the city/state government”, or, “let’s pick up where Bernie left off and pass universal healthcare in our states, since the US isn’t going to do it”)

                It has been quite interesting to bring this topic up in real life. Turns out it’s a bit of a wedge issue haha. Just like the Bernie campaign though, it resonates with people who are more progressive than Democrats and many who are not politically engaged.

  • GnastyGnuts [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    28·
    3 days ago

    Do Californians not know where their water comes from? Like, I’d cheer them on or whatever, but it seems like a doomed project even in the best imagined scenario.