Re-creation of someone else’s post because the original was removed and I found it funny when I first saw it
The duck can’t actually say anything because his sound drivers randomly stopped working.
PipeWire for life
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The last character: I can make you spend an entire day trying to install some software or configuring something specific
Oh yeah, I never had to do this on windows!
Wait! That’s not correct.
Maybe I’m unique in this regard, but I can’t remember having any issues installing things on windows since Windows 7. Trying out Linux in college was fun and interesting, but I definitely spent more time futzing around with it to make it work the way that I want it to work.
I think more people would take the Linux community here seriously if people just acknowledged the flaws with Linux based OSes and focused on the actual benefits of Linux over windows. (Which are getting more and more enticing as Microsoft makes windows more annoying.)
I know what you mean and Linux can be the operating system with less issues as well. E.g. I never had printer issues with my system but have to troubleshoot others’ printers regularly.
If you only use Linux for browsing and light office work you probably never encounter problems. Even if you play games via steam and Proton there probably will never be something.
The same is true for Windows. If you only use it for a small subset of tasks (browsing, light office work or playing recent games) you will rarely encounter problems.
But if you try to do so without a Microsoft account or if you don’t want a bloated start menu, it starts to get tricky.
And don’t get me started on playing old games or getting some programming dependencies running. This can be hell.
I know the flaws of windows (I’ve used it up until last year and still have to use it at work) and I also know the limitations of Linux. They are both not perfect, but Linux is free and Windows becomes more and more shit (as you’ve said). And this is where I don’t understand all the people saying, that windows is easier. It really isn’t anymore. It was a few years ago though.
I imagine that most people think Windows is easier because the majority of people grew up using Windows machines in schools, workplaces, etc. I think it could have to do with the sense of familiarity there.
The other problem I think people have with Linux is that the fact that different distros confuses them. Most average people are afraid of the command line, and really want a GUI for everything. Many of these people’s first exposure to Linux could scare them away depending on the distro they happened to choose, I think.
Most average people are afraid of the command line, and really want a GUI for everything. Many of these people’s first exposure to Linux could scare them away depending on the distro they happened to choose, I think.
Or it’s the fact the community is so toxic?
Every computer, doesn’t matter brand or hardware, never works 100% out of the box on Linux. Doesn’t matter which distro.
You ask online, and people scream at you to run terminal commands or go back to Windows.
You run a terminal command that breaks your system, and people blame you for running random terminal commands…
You go back to Windows, and people say “Linux is so friendly, you don’t even have to touch the terminal anymore if you really don’t want to!”
Rinse and repeat.
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I’m really triggered by the idea that Linux makes running old software easy. The bane of my existence is finding an application that depends on libButts.5.1, but my distro ships with libButts.5.3, which isn’t backward compatible for some reason, and trying to install libButts.5.1 bricks the desktop environment for some reason.
I just searched for that lib, in an attempt to help you with the supposed problem. I won’t deny, you got me there.
Windows also doesn’t let you remove system apps.
Try me 😂
You can totally remove them, but it’ll just reinstall them back, or worst case scenario, you’ll break a part of your system, because Windows is a giant monolith of decades of built-up stupidity
Tbf, every moderately old software product is a collection of built-up stupidity.
even the kernel linux?
Checkmate, atheists
Today I spent 50 minutes figuring out why my app could not set itself as default for www.instagram.com links. I don’t have IG installed.
Turns out the latest Samsung OTA update re-enabled Meta App Manager, Meta App Installer and Meta Services. Any of which, while enabled, will result in the user setting an app to handle certain domain links, only for the users action to be instantly reversed without notification.
Edit: that’s a gif if it doesn’t show up correctly. I had an app advertise itself as IG but Meta kept hijacking the link handler. An uninstallable Samsung forced Meta app, that enables itself back after each OTA update.
If this was on desktop, someone would already be sued. But android? “Sorry can’t uninstall system app”
Don’t buy scummy Samsung devices. Any company that comes with Meta bloat, even when you buy them outright, fully unlocked, doesn’t deserve your money.
That’s a Samsung issue, not Android specifically
I’d call it an Android issue, as the OS lets vendors force uninstallable apps into their devices.
You don’t get it. Samsung modifies Android to the extent that it’s barely recognisable anymore. If you want to experience a pure Android experience, get a Google Pixel or flash your own ROM
Samsung’s software is garbage and the main reason I will never buy their phones no matter how great their hardware is
The difference is, Samsung isn’t able to modify for example their Windows devices like this, which is why I say the root issue lives in the OS level. It’s one thing to bundle vendor software in, it’s another when that OS has a feature in which you only let the owner of the device disable, not uninstall, said software.
That’s because windows is closed source, duh. The beauty of Android is that you have the option to flash the version you want. You just choose to stick with the worst out of all Android versions and then complain about it lol
You’re like a boomer complaining about Internet Explorer being slow
Samsung’s software is garbage and the main reason I will never buy their phones no matter how great their hardware is
Amen.
Their “superior hardware” means nothing when the software is so garbage, the camera lags. The phone is full of bloatware despite buying it outright and unlocked. The phone pushes ads into every fucking app. The phone shows you a “themes” button on your homescreen, but then takes you to the store to buy more… like wtf? I don’t want to be shown price tags when I just dropped $2,000 on this phone. At least come pre-installed with a couple Samsung supported themes!?
Linux: “my users spend half their time troubleshooting”
I am a Windows guy, but I occasionally have to work with Linux. I spend a lot of time googling weird problems with cryptic solutions. That’s my experience trying to do anything technical with Linux. I can’t really remember the last time I had a problem in windows, but that’s not to say windows is perfect. It’s taken a hit in usability recently, which is weird since they’ve had decades to refine things. I recently installed pop os as a dual boot and it’s been pretty great with the ability to play games. I haven’t really had to do anything technical and I find myself using it more than I thought.
At least most problems under Linux have solutions and if you are really desperate you have the option to fix it yourself in the source or pay someone to do it. Under windows, if microsoft doesn’t care about your problem, you either find a workaround or live with it.
Because of the ginormous community, every problem has a solution in Windows.
If it isn’t a Microsoft sanctioned solution, then multiple third party solutions exists that fix it.
Windows has a hell of a lot more support than any Linux distribution does.
If it isn’t a Microsoft sanctioned solution, then multiple third party solutions exists that fix it.
That’s not how this works. If it’s not a Microsoft-sancioned solution, it literally cannot be fixed no matter how much effort you put in. You need an API to work with Windows. If Microsoft does not provide you with an API, you can’t do it. And even if you find a way to hack together something, you have zero guarantee an update won’t just come along and fuck it. Linux distros are open source, you can change quite literally any thing about them. That is what that person was talking about.
the thing is, microsoft does provide stable, well-documented and backwards-compatible apis for just about anything imaginable, and even if that’s not enough, you can try interacting with the kernel directly
I can’t say I share this experience as I spend a lot more than half my time using Linux watching documentaries on youtube in a web browser. If you are obsessed with personalization I could see this happening, but I happen to prefer using default (as in “possible to consistently re-apply”) settings on most things.
Regardless, troubleshooting makes you better at resolving trouble that you didn’t bring about on your own, and life is defined by unexpected troubles. It is better to be antifragile than happy!
I guess you’re lucky (or much more tech-savvy than me). I tried to switch to linux once many years ago (pre-COVID, which is like ancient times now). It was horrible. Oh, I now need to learn about file systems and NTFS and ext3/4(?) - i guess i’ll try Linux on a separate, old hard drive. Ok, something didn’t work, I now have to figure out what driver wasn’t supported and what I need to download. Great, people on forums are helpful but they’re asking me a bunch of gibberish. Now I gotta figure out this command line thing. Oh cool some people built GUIs for certain stuff so i don’t need to play with the command line, but then the GUI doesn’t work occasionally and now I have to figure out if it’s the GUI that broke or something else. And then at some point I got stuck because of file permissions.
Trying to use proprietary drivers and NTFS on Linux is trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. People work hard to make it work and maybe it does with a little effort but the proprietary model and Linux distros just don’t mesh well together. If you make it a point to purchase hardware that has open source drivers and use open source software (and as a consumer, you probably should anyway), everything does just work. Obviously this may not suit your use case and Linux may just not be for you.
NTFS is okay if you’re mounting a drive that you share with a Windows machine but don’t actually install Linux to an NTFS partition please. Most of the “beginner friendly” distros I don’t think even let you.
“I can’t build a steady userbase”
There is a difference between steady and small.
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If I want to dd /dev/zero to my bootsector, goddammit, let me do it.
sudo pacman -R glibc
Android also can’t install old apps
I can control my updates on windows with the group policy editor.
Delay “feature” updates by 365 days, delay “quality” updates by 30 days. then the only updates that get installed right away are the security updates, the other two categories will get pulled if a large number of people report problems with them.
Windows is annoying…unless you know what tools to get to make it work correctly.
I’m a big fan of Linux, don’t get me wrong QubesOS is the best thing I’ve ever heard of. But almost nothing I use is compatible with any distro of linux.
Once you use things like O&O shutup 10 and a few other things in the group policy editor, you’ll love your windows machine.
I think it’s humorous how many people are getting offended at such a silly post
So many people here are butthurt because of a small meme that pokes fun at what 90% of end users experience.
Its not Linux’s fault they can’t take a joke about windows. And yet somehow we are the elitist snowflake gatekeepers, or whatever buzzword they wanna use today.
I’m predominantly a Windows user. However I dual boot with Mint as I am trying to get away from Windows. It’s really not easy but I’m trying.
I gotta say though these types of posts make me cringe. I really don’t know why some Linux users put themselves on a pedestal all the time. You make these sorts of smug posts making out that Linux is perfect. I have never installed Linux and had it just work. There is always something that requires searching the web for a fix and firing up the terminal to start changing something in /etc/.
I get it. You’re proud of your technology. But vegans are proud they don’t eat animal products. We don’t need to keep selling it to the rest of the world.
What problems do you have most often? Can you come up with a description of a class of problems you have that would account for most of the time you spend troubleshooting?
Who provided the documentation you used to install a Linux operating system you had trouble with? I don’t recall having serious issues after installing openSUSE or Fedora Linux or even NixOS, and I certainly don’t recall having any issues of above-average importance that weren’t a direct result of my intentional actions (e.g. trying to permanently change what DNS servers would be used).
android is linux (but different)
