No we won’t and this nonsense article tries to set a very bad precedent. I was dealing with this just yesterday, new job offer comes my way last month with 2 salary choices. Come in the office for 20% more pay, work from home for less. I’m already making the higher amount with my current job, working from home. So I pass, They counter and offer other perks, I pass. This goes on for 9 days now. Yesterday, I just told them to stop, I have zero interest in working with a company that tries every way to hire me except for what I ask for.
I might add that the financials of the company were north of a billion. Get paid for what you’re worth, not where you work.
This should be standard, people don’t become less productive when working from home. Vast majority of wfh folks I know spend more time and are more productive at home. If my company tried to pull this nonsense (it wouldn’t because its actually a great place to work) I’d immediately start looking for a different job. On Linkedin and other platforms I literally don’t even consider or look at non wfh positions.
Also I don’t know what jobs are thinking. Its stupid to think someone will change jobs for less pay and move into a non-wfh position from a wfh one. Those jobs should always be avoided, because they clearly think you’re too stupid to do basic math.
I generally tell them X is my floor and they usually do not try to counter then. They just say they can meet it or not.
I’d consider taking an in-office position if the trade off was I start my commute at 9, and leave so I get home roughly for 5, so the tradeoff is that my drive is on company time.
If part of my job is to look at the inside of my car for 90 minutes and then remote connect to my home computer from the other side of the city for some reason, and you’re willing to pay me more than my currently employer to do so: have at it.
this would still require a bump for me. I get to see my wife and dog casually all day. I am able to eat a nicer and cheaper meal at home as well as walk my dog at lunch. Then there is the additional environmental damage that comes out of my commute. That scenario would significantly reduced the bump I would expect from in office though.
well yes, I wouldn’t move jobs unless they offered a reason to and money is the only reason I have ever done any of my jobs, so…
good call.
an employer playing those kinds of games with job candidates is one that’s also fucking with the system for their actual employees, too.
Yeah, their Glassdoor reviews were a hint, 3.2 stars.
Yeah this is just the bullshit of asserting that you’re less valuable if you work from home. Work from home needs to be seen more like a corner office but in a building where everyone can have one. It’s wonderful and if you can’t offer as much money it may cover the gap, but it’s more likely to cost you someone for not offering than save you money.
See, my job has me on camera a few hours every day. And then beyond that I’m productive by producing code, or diagrams. So while my work might be “hidden”, there’s a way to track it without me warming a chair in a big office.
Can I ask what it is you do? I had a back injury earlier this year and it’s starting to look like I’m going to have to give up my really good paying job at UPS and I might be in need of something far less physical.
Yeah, IT Consultant. but I know for a fact there are a large number of entry IT jobs out there if you have the background knowledge.
Sorta kinda. I was the sudo IT guy for the church my in laws went to as well as their sound tech for front of house. I’ll have to look out for something like that.
We’ve reduced/eliminated our office bills with WFH and the money we saved went to executive compensation. How can we increase our salaries further? Let’s just take it from the employees
Yes I feel quite sure the article intends “will part with” as “are willing to part with” when in reality it’s going to be “will be made to part with.”
WFH employees are saving money on gas which easily makes up for the 20k pay cut
You almost had me.
Less costs for building maintenance means less salary? Fuck off.
I think their true motivation is less available tax write-offs for that commercial real estate expense, which seems to me like piss poor adaptability of a company that a free market should eat alive.
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I’m on board with you there.
They’re trying to bring us in 1 day a week right now because “The costs to remodel the offices and sublet a separate area are the same as if we just keep the space.”
Well, fuck off with that. I find a reason every week to not go in. I think it has been 4 months now.
If my boss gets pissy, so be it. I’m less efficient having to readjust to a separate working environment with all the distractions. I make sure I get less done whenever I have to be there…
Sounds like you’re sticking to your guns, that’s a good thing. But also don’t go bitching if your job fires you because you don’t want to go back you were going to look for one anyway
Yeah, that was a nonsense response. The article wasn’t about reducing the pay of current employees.
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Mine or theirs?
Theirs.
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When my job went remote from covid it was like getting a double digit raise if I count the commute as overtime and vehicle costs plus on site meals.
That means working from home is comparable to a pay raise. That does not mean that workers need to give anything up to keep it. It means companies need to pay more to people who are required to commute.
yup. I give a rate for 100% wfh and what the bump has to be for each day of the week expected in office. I will work in office but they will have to pay and its not cheap.
Or…OR!…and hear me out here…we work remotely in jobs where it is sensible to do so, AND keep the pay.
Garbage corpo propaganda piece.
Or…OR!..and here me out here…companies demand workers return to office AND cut their pay.
Garbage corpos. Everything is going to shit because already insanely wealthy shareholders demand number go up at any cost.
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No way, they should pay me more since they’re saving money on office space. Why do the employees have to take a cut by default?
Because people value working from home a lot, so a company doesn’t have to offer as much pay and they’re still likely to find interested, qualified candidates.
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For remote work, I’ll absolutely settle for less pay… Right now. Once my company starts demanding I come in (no talks of it fortunately), I’ll be submitting for my hours and mileage. I’ve been WFH 3 years, at this point it’s more I’m going to demand more if you want me in a specific building.
Easily $20k for me.
Edit: I probably wasn’t clear. I work remote. It would take at a minimum $20k extra to consider a non-remote job.
Don’t set this precedent. You’re paid for the work you do, not where you do it.
I’d get a job somewhere else that paid less if I could work from home.
Commuting costs time and money. If I can break even on the commute cost, I’m happy.
I took a 20k paycut to go from in-person private industry with an hour commute to a fully remote federal position. I have never been happier in my life. I’m not exaggerating. I eat better, sleep better, exercise every day, spend more time with my family, get so much more done around the house. I could keep going. Every part of my life is better. Hell, my wife and I have better sex more often even. Easily worth 20k.
I’m at home and my wife is in the office about half the week. It’s amazing how much time I have each week to do whatever.
I work more than 40 hours a week because I don’t have to commute. It’s a huge win!
Do you get paid for that extra work you put in?
Well I’m self employed, so yes and no.
Well, so long as you don’t abuse and take advantage of yourself.
Commuting cost more than money
Commuting cost time, which is priceless.
My company has a work from home culture desk that allows its employees to work from anywhere on the Greenwich meridian +/- 1 hour
I wouldn’t leave for a WFO job until I’m paid €50000 more
I completely agree, my wife took an office job because the pay was a significant bump.
thats more than I would require but I actually think Im undervaluing it a bit as im basically doin 25%
The job is kinda paying you for you commute then, which is something they should have been doing anyway. This just makes it more confusing than paying for your travel time.
Not who you responded to but I have a set amount for non WFH. You see I work for who I want not who wants me. The WFH position is different from the non WFH one and requires different compensation.
Ah yeah I hear ya. If you’re switching jobs then go for it. I was thinking more like, your boss comes up to you (zooms you I guess) and says, “we’re gonna cut your pay because you don’t have to drive to work any more”
Yeah that would not cut it. I won’t sign a contract with that. We can go on as written or they can drop me. Lowering compensation is never going to fly with me.
The simple fact is that if you were wasting $100 a month on fuel you were working for $100 a month less already.
Just be real, benefits are part of your pay and your commute can either be a good part of your benefits or a negotiation in higher pay.
But also, the company is saving money by not paying for an office, so I can argue that they need to pay me the same salary as rent for my office space.
Like, say I can work from home but I don’t have the space. Now I need a more expensive place with an extra room that I can dedicate for an office.
I don’t have the option of working from home, I’m just saying don’t let those fuckers hoodwink you in to less than you’re worth.
That office will be there in that building whether you are in it or not.
The only thing you’re saving is the power your computer would use and the miniscule amount of energy that it took to cool down your body heat and maybe an elevator if you go up at all by yourself
That’s absolutely valid but still isn’t an argument against being paid more to work from the office. If anything it shows you understand compensation for working from a specific location you’re just grandstanding for WFH.
No, I’m saying companies will say anything to justify paying you less. Don’t fall for it.
I’m saying you should be paid the same for the work you do whether you work from home or the office. If they’ll compensate you extra for travel, good, but without a union, good luck on that one.
I get what you’re saying now though, you’re speaking on less pay for the same work. If my boss offered me less pay for WFH I’d jump on it but my responsibilities would also be reduced and a number of other reasons it’s different for my current job.
Yeah I can see how that’s appealing, but it sets a precedent that will further enshittify the job market.
I understand that people have to do what’s best for them and their families and without a union making a stand like that would be damn near impossible. I’m just some guy on the internet but these are my thoughts on it.
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