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    WHY ARE YOU POSTING THIS ON MY FEED I DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOUR INTENT I DO NOT HAVE AN INTERNATIONAL TREATY WITH YOU

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      It’s appropriate since they believe that words are magic and as long as they say the right words, the “spell” will be cast and they will become immune to laws.

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      That’s probably the most sane part about It.

      I think they are saying that those Words where chosen specifically because they can subconsciously affect the words users perceptions.

      Not magic nor a conspiracy but there is psychological truth that different words with identical meaning can effect us differently.

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        No, they mean literal magic. I started reading the book, and they’re talking about “Dark Magicians” on the first page.

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          For the simple minded its understandable how anyone with psychological knowledge could be confused with magicians.

          Just look at fortune tellers and the likes.

          Its a perversion of the truth that any sufficiently advanced enough science can only be interpreted as magic. For some, common knowledge seems sufficient enough.

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            Sovcits are true believers in the magic. Anyone smart enough to do as you are suggesting is stealing from the true believers.

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        I mean, anyone who’s ever taken Prof. George Lakoff’s classes at UC Berkeley is familiar with his famous “Don’t think of an elephant” lecture. He tells his students not to think about an elephant, then goes on to describe an elephant in agonizing detail, but under no circumstances are you permitted to picture that elephant in your mind.

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          I cant even get trough your text without picturing the whole classroom including the elephants in everyones mind.

          I am not sure what the idea is but if i was given this assignment i conclude 3 possibilities.

          • the point is that its impossible so i can just give up and laugh at the spectacle.

          • i should grab for my headphones, close my eyes and focus my mind to some place far away

          • run out of the classroom and do something that requires concentration. Random conversation with someone.

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            Lakoff also wrote a book based on this lecture, titled “Don’t Think of an Elephant!” where he tells us that

            Frames are mental structures that shape the way we see the world. As a result, they shape the goals we seek, the plans we make, the way we act, and what counts as a good or bad outcome of our actions. In politics our frames shape our social policies and the institutions we form to carry out policies.

            Every word we have is defined relative to a conceptual frame, even trying to negate the frame activates the frame. So, if I tell you “Don’t think of an elephant” you will immediately think of an elephant!

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        different words with identical meaning can effect us differently

        Other than puzzling us when a different word is not known because it stopped being used in that sense in the twelfth century?

        I am not sure that there are studies that found anything statistically significant. It’s like saying that there are ‘selling slogans’ when in fact no matter how selling you slogan is, no one will buy if the product is bullshit

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          An example of what i mean:

          Crippled -> handicaped -> disabled -> person with disability.

          They all essentially mean exactly the same Thing. They all where the proper terminology at some point in time. But the emotional effect is different.

          Also some political examples:

          Global-warming and climate-change. Pro-life and anti-abortion

          I assume most people are smart enough not to let Terminology cloud judgement but we are talking about the kind of people who read and believe the stuff like in the book above.

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    Or you know, from the old (and current) French “Parent”, which itself came from the Latin “Parentem”. But I guess making a quick search isn’t as fun as making shit up.

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      Nah man, that doesn’t sound right. See “pair rent” is much more believable. Everyone knows that these conspiracy things always need to rhyme or sound similar or have the same letters but rearranged. Not be the same word in another language, that’s just bunk.

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      Well, the book didn’t say that’s the origin of the word. Just that the happenstance of it being similar to the phrase makes the government like using the word.

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    Fake etymology conspiracy theories (aka “word magic”) are one of my biggest pet peeves.

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      Same people who think that a winamp visualization is actually “seeing the music”.

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      I theorize that this word magic and the impassioned (yet nonsense) speaking comes from and is encouraged by religion and worship of the bible

      When it comes to pulling out deeper divine meaning from the bible by analyzing its text, I always chuckle that these people often don’t realize (or blatantly reject) that the English copy they are reading has been loosely translated dozens of times Iver millenia.

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    I refuse to believe that whoever put this to print did so earnestly. Surely they at least must’ve known this was bullshit they were peddling to make a quick buck off some gullible rubes.

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      I’ve known a couple schizophrenic dudes that got into numerology while they were struggling. This text sounds exactly like that.

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        My Neighbor was diagnosed with schizophrenia and when she seeked us out for help or to talk she would put that exact same “logic” to each and every of her conspiracies.

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          My understanding of schizophrenia is that it’s the result of that part of our brain that sees faces in toast becoming overactive. They’ll hear voices in random sounds and see connections where there aren’t any.

          I wonder how much of that comes from leaning in to this kind of stuff. Like the brain thinks it has found a connection and the ego is impressed with it and it activates some kind of reward pathway that reinforces the part that found the connection, which then goes searching for the next reward.

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            As someone who had a dear friend get completely lost to Schizophrenia, it seemed to come on suddenly and out of nowhere when said friend was around the age of 18. There were really no signs before then. I think genetics play the biggest role with Schizophrenia.

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              As far as I know, it does. Albeit there seems to be multiple theories about how exactly that happens and what can influence this.

              My condolences for your loss, I have a friend that struggled but recovered mostly, so I imagine how that might be

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        A couple of them? Surely you must’ve imagined it!

        That’s why I’m not a comedian.

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          Well it was a cou-ple. Cou is French for three twenties and seventeen, and ple is Sumerian for hundred. So it was the whole cabal of 'em, making their plans.

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      A buck earned is a buck earned. If the customer is stupid and gullible, the sale is much easier.

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    You know it’s funny. I keep trying to wrap my head around their beliefs; and then I hit the crazy wall and realize that there is nothing sane anywhere in there.

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      The difficulty with trying to understand their beliefs is, they’re not coherent at all. Their ‘beliefs’ differ from person to person and they’re highly fluid, meaning they can flick from one thing to the next without any coherent reason or logic to it.

      It’s very difficult to discern a structure or a solid foundation even when the entire belief structure looks to be stuck between different dimensions of insanity.

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        The belief is the solid structure. It’s science, almost: instead of taking experimental results, and work out a theory to explain it, you take what should be true, and therefore must be true, and therefore is true, and work out something, anything, to prop it up.

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          I think that’s more the function of the belief rather than the belief itself, but you’re not wrong.

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    This made me think about when you hear about someone who has a really high genius level IQ in the 180s or whatever; statistically, there must be someone somewhere who has an IQ as far below the average of 100 than the genius IQ is over it.

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      That’s not necessarily how averages work. 80, 80, 80, 80, 100, 180.

      The average is 100, but there is no “counterpart” to the 180 at the end.

      EDIT: note that my sample size is way to small to perfectly describe the human population, and variance distribution is also impossible to represent with a sample size of 6. Obviously there ARE people way below 80 IQ; I’m just saying you can’t say for sure that there must be a person around 20IQ just because one with 180 exists.

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        technically, IQ is by definition normally distributed with 100 as the center. But by the definition there would only be about 500 people in the world with an IQ of 20 or lower, so it breaks down because of the amount of people in an unrecoverable coma and such

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          Also I’m pretty sure an IQ of at little as 20 would probably be impossible to measure.

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            “Can they in any way hold the paper or make marks to it (despite a functioning motor system)? No? Mark as anything below 50, nobody’s gonna know”

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          I question how you can even design a test such that the result has a normal distribution around a specific score without testing everyone and applying some kind of bell curve to the overall results. Especially when you want to boil intelligence down to a single dimension. Even if that one number is based on a composite of others, that complicates the turning it into a bell curve, which makes designing a test to target a specific average even harder.

          And add to that average intelligence itself being a moving target. Someone of above average intelligence in the middle ages might be considered below average today.

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            as far as I know, yep fitting the “raw score” of a test to a bell curve is exactly how it’s done. And often the score is sort of “localized”, for example only other scores from the same country and done in the same year are compared.

            (one related example is the flynn effect)

            IQ is in reality a very rough metric, I think the only widely accepted practical use is to detect developmental or mental issues (often associated with an IQ below 70), and even then you need to consider that eg. someone who never received adequate education may score lower than what they “should”

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      The problem with that is the lower under 100 you go, the less functional the person is. People with such low IQs would barely be able to understand what the hell sovcits are about not to mention standing no chance to come up with such ideas.

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        People with such low IQs would barely be able to understand what the hell sovcits are about

        Oh, the rest of you understand these guys?

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          They are people who think that successful people follow different rules but that those rules are fair and available to everyone if they know to use them. It’s a weird combination of not believing the system is fair but also believing that it is but on a different level. And if they can figure out the magical combination of words, they can outsmart the people who usually enforce rules and laws. They think legalese has some kind of occult truth and meaning to it, rather than being shit we made up over the years. They think that law enforcement being inconsistent with following or enforcing rules is actually because they follow a secret set of rules to the letter.

          They also think that since money doesn’t follow the gold standard, nothing backs it, therefore anything can be currency since currency doesn’t need any backing anymore (which is just a misunderstanding if what money actually is).

          And another group of people goad them on with bullshit, either to make money conning them or to sow civil unrest (because now cops need to deal with people confidently asserting that they aren’t driving but traveling, which doesn’t require a driver’s license, debt collectors need to deal with people essentially trying to issue their own currency to pay their bills, and judges need to deal with people who think they can opt out of following laws while still living in the country).

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      Statistically, when you are in a group of average people, e.g. in a mall or on a motorway, half the people around you have an IQ of 100 or less.

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        Unless there’s far more stupid people around you than intelligent people which is fairly likely.

        Massive dumbass are a far more common than geniuses so there’s a bunch of idiots running around that are pulling the average down.

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      That’s not what this is and your insulting people who have severe disabilities.

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        I don’t know why you are downvoted. Delusional people can be pretty intelligent by some measures.

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    yes because the us government would OBVIOUSLY put in a hint in their wording if they really wanted to do that. just a little easter egg for us to discover

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      It’s not the government doing it though. It’s the secret cabal of “Dark Magicians” who secretly control the government, using the secret, 100% literal, magic of words.

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      O yea bcuz if u smart enuff to figger it out u can join guvument. That how they get new guvument ppl. Or u can be cool and tell the sheeple and free minds. This man who rote book is a hero.

      :p

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      It’s interesting that the government has allowed the book to be published. You would have thought that they might have done something about it, if you know, they control the world.

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    I’m pretty sure this author is a paranoid schizophrenic or something. Most of these guys are just dumb and gullible - this one is just kind of sad.

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    “birth/berth”

    They call it that as a trick to subject babies to the regulatory structures that govern ships, which essentially says that the government can commandeer you whenever they deem necessary. Oh you think you have rights? Well in the eyes of the law, you’re just another skiff with a bad attitude.

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      Printed media has always been huge for conspiracy nuts before the internet, and plenty of them still make books. John Birch Society, Soilder of Fortune magazine, and plenty of terrible tax evasion and antivax books abound even now.