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So, instead of getting the ability to search for videos properly, with negative search terms, user defined video length spans, exact dates, sort by reverse date order etc… we get ambient mode and color search? Can someone please, for the sake of humanity and my sanity, erase this company and its parent from the planet.
Seriously, there was a time when Google was lauded for all kinds of awesome innovation, and joked about that you needed a PhD to even be a janitor there.
Look at them now. They can’t even do basic search functionality anymore, and are so misguided that they put out color filters for video.
I 100% agree they need to just stop existing at this point.
Arent there like Ralph from the Simpsons originating jokes about how like, this crayon tastes like yellow?
Congrats YouTube, thank you so much.
I can now enjoy green flavored content, fuck having a working suggestion algorithm that actually recommends interesting content, I guess I can use YouTube for what it seems to be intended for these days, as an ambient noise and color generator for my monitor and room while i actually do something else.
Ralph from the Simpsons is the best analogy for how I see Google now. Brilliant.
The fact that Google started as a search company and yet search in their own apps sucks is boggling.
In YouTube Music, when you’re building a tuner to create a station, you can’t search at all. Instead, you get an endless scroll off bands and have to find the one you want that way. The order is random.
Like … Pandora let you do the same thing with search back in the 00’s
The fact that Google started as a search company and yet search in their own apps sucks is boggling.
It’s not boggling; it’s very simple: they discovered that having shitty search apparently makes them more money than having good search.
Bingo!
Don’tBe Evil.It was obvious they would enshittify, they literally told us they would.
I feel like maybe the term “search” when applied to digital services should be regulated. What Google et al do isn’t search, it’s recommendations. Recommendations can be useful, but they sure as hell don’t replace search. Someone call the EU.
if they won’t regulate what ‘news’ or ‘organic’ or ‘private’ means then good luck with ‘search’. waiting for the government to get wise and save us, still?
“Organic” is absolutely a regulated term in the US, not sure about elsewhere. You might be thinking of “natural.”
Which “the government”?
Stop being so chartreuse! Would it kill you to be a little more periwinkle?
You made me search the internet to rid me of my confusion! I’m all vermilion now!
I absolutely hate the ambient mode. I mean, I get it, it’s kind of my problem if I am trying to use ancient desktop, but it’s also pretty unnecessary.
Trying to view YouTube videos on many school computers became a pain in the ass. Some are so laggy that I can’t even get to disable the ambient mode without which it would still be somewhat usable. (But hey, piped.video works.)
Hell, even my HP 255 G7 (a fairly average office laptop with Ryzen 3 3200U) struggles with it. It gets laggy and turns into hairdryer.Secondly, it’s distracting.
Yes it’s super weird that porn sites had that functionality for over a decade and one of the world’s largest tech companies still can’t implement those.
The search was already so abysmal that this doesn’t change much.
This sounds like they made a cheap feature from data they already had, but didn’t stop to think why anyone would ever want it.
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With all the absurd turns YouTube and Google have taken, I’ve been looking at this for five minutes trying to figure out if this is a shitpost
It is not, there are actual colour categories at the top of the page which allow you to filter by thumbnails. This is what the Red page looks like for me:
I don’t have the official app, so I choose to pretend this is a shitpost.
Haha A++ shitpost
In my defence I use Revanced and not Newpipe only because I like to have my subscriptions and watchlist synced up between devices
Understandable
I’m really disappointed, was expecting all red videos to be those cringey red arrows pointing at irrelevant things.
Does that come with app update? I still have normal categories up there:
Google AB tests every tiny detail so you might not see it.
I have 19.03.35 Revanced; may be a regional trial?
I have the official unmodded YouTube app v. 18.46.41.
Anyway, it would probably show up since it’s not a client-side thing. Could be a regional thing. Or just random testing.
Why do you have the official app? I can never go back to normal youtube with all the in your face ads. Soon I’ll stop using pixel phones if Google doesn’t stop forcing me to buy google drive/photos subscription.
I saw it yesterday and thought I had brain damage for a minute.
You interacted with it, which means some ux designer somewhere is going to see the metrics and get encouraged
Nope, I’ve seen it myself. Cannot imagine a more useless feature.
Cannot imagine a more useless feature.
Especially useless for us colorblind people…
Unfortunately it is not…
Sounds like a new and inventive way for them to push sponsored content on you but make it seem like you had some choice in the matter
You’ve searched for Red! Here are some funny, relaxing and interesting videos from Coca-Cola, Adobe and Target!
Please drink verification can.
I’m sure they’ll also share their information with “content creators” so they can all start using the most popular colors and the site can become even more generic and samey
@LinkOpensChest_wav That is actually why. I’ve heard creators talk about how YouTube is rolling this new feature now, it gives you the options to add different thumbnails with different colors to target different audience, and see which one performs the best.
Gods help us all.
I wish there were an add-on to hide all monetized channels from my feed.
@LinkOpensChest_wav I recommend to use De-Arrow is from the same creator of sponsorblock if you want to change the thumbnails and titles, it is crowdsourced.
No channel is monetized if you are using an AdBlock. Hahahaha
Someone actually mentioned this to me a while ago, and I was planning to try it. Thanks for reminding me!
There are millions of youtube videos uploaded every single day. Why do I always get the exact same stuff in my recommendations? And why does YouTube shorts keep playing the same clips over and over again? Even the ones I disliked.
uBlock - copy the template in the link below, add it to “My Filters” to completely remove Shorts from YouTube:
OMG thank you. I fucking hate shorts.
Oh man I needed this! Not the stupid extensions that play it in a normal YouTube window or something. I just wanna remove that crappy short form video stuff altogether.
The UI for shorts is terrible. You can’t double click to fast forward, as that likes the video. Why are they inconsistent with their own player?
That site is amazing! Thank you!
You should never dislike on YouTube. They just view it as engagement and will give it you more. To actually get rid of content that you don’t like, you need to use “not interested” in the context menu.
This drove me crazy for a long time.
Good to know. I need to see of there’s a way to do it on youtube shorts.
Check out @Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world comment above
Because those videos give Google the best ad revenue. Who cares what the users watch all long as Google gets rich along the way.
What is the mechanism for that? What do you envision makes them more valuable?
Google gets more money if the video has more ads. Google also pays more in bandwidth and storage if the video is really long or high res. Also, advertisers don’t like drugs, violence or guns, whereas makeup and mobile phones are totally fine, so those videos are a suitable background for ads.
All of these variables go into the calculation that determines the sweet spot for Google, and the search results are ranked accordingly. You may be looking for an hour long video essay on the torture methods seen in the Hellraiser movies, but Google really wants you to spend more time on 5-minute crafts instead. Actually, 30 s shorts would be even better, as long as they keep you preoccupied.
If you ever needed proof they dont know what they are doing this is it…
Or their data tells them the truth and humans don’t know what we are doing…
What? You don’t go to YT and think “hmm i wonder what color I’m in the mood for today”?
Weirdo.
Color is so stupid. Who the fuck cares what color the video is. Couldve used this to actual good like pick three minor subjects from the video and ask me if im interested in more of those. That would be awesome. And I know they have that data.
Black History Month
Separating videos based off of color.
Never change Google.
Even easier, pick video lengths.
<1min, 1-10min, 10-30min, 30-60min, 60min+.
I’d use that all the time.
They used to have that as a filter. Although for a long while you could pick short (<4 mins) or long (>20 mins) but not medium length videos.
This, too, was a sign they had no fucking idea what they were doing.
This reminds of how Xiaomi introduced sorting by colours of the app icon in their launcher. But that was different and I believe actually helped getting around
At least that would make for an aesthetically pleasing gradient for some people. Sorting videos by color makes no damn sense. I’m not in an orange sort of mood lmao
I don’t understand what that even means, most videos on are predominantly blue and green if they’re outside, and basically white if they’re inside.
The only videos that will be red or purple are music videos.
I have sorted the icons on my quicklaunch bar (on my desktop PC) by color. Those typically aren’t sorted in any particular order so putting them by color was something visually interesting to do. Their titles aren’t displayed here, it’s just the icons, and there’s 12 of them, so actually it does help guide my eye, if I know I’m looking for, the Blender logo my eye tends toward orange.
Colour FIFY
couleur* RCPT
Ribbit ribbit FIFY
That is stupid. I wish it would just let me block channels for real in search. Also, I wonder how that works if you’re colorblind?
If I want something news related, that doesn’t mean I want to see Fox News or other random right wing nutjobs who scream into the camera about “wokeism” every day for 4 hours.
Things I wish YouTube would let me do:
- See dislikes
- Disable Shorts (uBlock lets me filter them out, at least)
- At the very least let me control the fucking volume on Shorts instead of muting/unmuting them only if you’re going to force them down my throat (seriously, it makes the entire video format unwatchable on Desktop because every fucking Short video is so god damned loud)
- Disable holding left-click to fast-forward a video (I do this thing where I’m about to pause a video and hold down the click until they’re done talking and this change is just so fucking stupid, I don’t understand who needs to hold down left click to fast-forward)
- Actually block channels I’m not interested in
- Block videos based on keywords
- Recommend videos based on the one I’m currently watching if my watch history is disabled
- Seriously, since disabling it YouTube does nothing but recommend “trending” crap that has absolutely nothing to do with what I’m watching
If they’d implement even half of that, my user experience would shoot up through the roof. But, you know, they couldn’t give a rat’s ass about user experience.
I’d also like them to fix the search. It only returns a small handful of results and then the rest is just recommended stuff not relating to the search
I know it’s been said many times, but I truly miss the old internet. Fuck this homogeneous, corporatized, spyware ridden, ad infested, data harvesting, soulless, pile of fucking dogshit called the modern internet.
With terrible UI on top. Like seriously YouTube let me hide videos after I’ve watched them.
Not only that, let me hide whole dumbass channels. Then apply a similar function at Google search so I can spare my eyes from seeing a 1000 temu ads with each result.
Just let my choose which sites I want to block from showing me search results and ads.
Add “autoplay the next episode of the podcast I’m watching if it’s available.” Yeah, youtube, I really wanna watch Well There’s Your Problem #138 immediately after Well There’s Your Problem #43. Idiot.
“Let’s Play Dumbcraft! Ep. 1”
Then get every other Episode except Ep. 2 listed, so you have to go to the channel and manually find it…
Disable holding left-click to fast-forward a video
Oh god yes I hate this so much. If I want to control the playback speed of video there is an option in the settings for that. If they wanted to make it an option to fast forward by doing something rather than just changing the setting globally, it would have been better if they had picked literally anything other than me having to keep my finger on the mouse button. It should have been if I hold down the right arrow key.
One thing that brought back the joy of earlier times youtube for me was
- Disable thumbnails (e.g. “Clickbait Remover for Youtube” on ff)
Holding left click to fast forward is the best feature they’ve d added in a long time
Currently the set up that makes youtube somewhat tolerable for me is, Ublock Origin (obviously), sponsor block, Return youtube dislike, Youtube-shorts block , and UnHook. Another option would be to use invidous, Freetube, or NewPipe, but all of them are not perfect and have their own limitations.
Also, I wonder how that works if you’re colorblind?
This was probably a joke but I can actually answer that for you.
First of all, afaik there is no scientific consensus that people see the colours the same way. In fact, we most likely don’t. The visual colour interpretation is mostly likely merely added on by our brains basing on the knowledge of wavelengths. In other words, there is no such thing as “absolute blue”. There is “a blue” which is the colour each one of us’ brains was taught to call blue by simply showing the sky. If I were to look through your brain (but not through your eyes, eyes understand wavelengths), we would probably disagree on each and every colour.
Second of all, there are different kinds of colour blindness. It is in fact an umbrella term for different disabilities. My understanding is that they usually involve a spectrum between two hues. So most colourblind will simply be unable to tell a difference between objects of two colours: for example red and green. They see them as slightly different versions of the same colour. However it would be wrong to say that the person in question sees red as green or vice versa, because, again, there are no “absolute colours”. Their eyes cannot distinguish between these two ranges of wavelengths and the brain interprets them as the same colour.
And finally, colourblind people, when diagnosed, are fully aware of being colourblind, and furthermore, they DO NOT see in black and white. Even if a person cannot distinguish red and orange, then they still are aware there is a difference that most people around can tell and that there are concepts and feelings associated with them.
What I am trying to say is that a colour-blind person would probably still be able to, for example, associate “red” videos with action and blood, and “green” ones with nature and calmness, even though this distinction is not palpable to them.
Either way, this filtering with thumbnail colour is fucking stupid.
Very interesting - my job involves a lot of Excel and charts, so I recently took a training on how to make those more accessible for colorblind folks. So that’s good to know!
Also, I wonder how that works if you’re colorblind?
It’s orange, blue, and yellow fyi.
That depends on the type of color blindness, there are different types
Well that’s what I see.
Woosh…
The recommendation algo is so bad they are testing it against a random bullshit generator…
I fucking hate the algorithm.
I can watch 20 fucking hours of content about a subject, and it wont suggest anything similar.
but I accidentally click a link someone posts to a crazy right wing video, I get nothing but right wing violence and brainwashing fear mongering videos for over a week that I can barely break the fuck out of with hyper specific searches.
Which is the same problem facebook has, in that the algorithm favors right wing extremism and shoves people heavily down that path, and only through very significant and concerted effort can you break out of it.
Sometimes it keeps recommending me the same videos even if have no intention of ever watching them.
yep, same.
“But he’ll watch it this time, for sure!” - Youtube, Probably.
And if I happen to click on those videos only to confirm it’s not for me they will be like “omg, he’s crazy about this video! Let’s recommend 10 different variations of this video from now on!”
I’ve recently started getting the most random, low-view localised content from small channels even though I never watch anything in my native language or any content like what they are producing.
My friend says the same thing. I would welcome the change honestly, Ive watched these videos already, Youtube, I will take anything new at this point.
I don’t mind new videos of smaller channels, I mind the ones that in no way match anything else I watch.
What the fuck was in that URL to make part of it get removed?
weird, it was just what the image says. edited.
It’s the first bit of the URL that’s removed
(https://removed/TWT49Rm/zero.jpg) is what it says
huh. it’s img bb dot com, weird that they remove it.
Has anyone else noticed that if a video says ‘like and subscribe’ the subscribe button does a little animation to draw your eye to it?
Really wish there was a better way to host videos that doesn’t require a multibillion dollar company’s backing
That was youtube, before it was sold.
There will never be another one again. Storage, Bandwidth, Server, etc etc costs would be too astronomical for anyone but another multi-billion dollar company to spin up a competitor.
There are small scale niche efforts, Like for guntubers, or that stupid members only floatplane thing, but none of them will ever compete with youtube, because they don’t have the scale or reach. and never will.
Not much server storage and bandwidth is needed if using p2p, like peertube.
and considering i’ve never heard about it until you just mentioned it, I guess that means its very not big and very not a youtube competitor.
Also, a p2p video site will never work. cause you will just be offloading the bandwidth and storage burdens onto individuals who are far far less equipped to handle suhc things on their personal connections than a major video provider.
I believe it works like Bittorent (and things like Windows updates) where there is a swarm of peers that simultaneously upload and download to/from eachother, so the original creator, or any single user, doesn’t necessarily need much bandwidth. There are some disadvantages to this, but it is manageable, and works for many other things. If it actually became a thing, I imagine sponsored/patreon-funded creators would pay someone to seed their videos to ensure availability and quality. Fans would probably help too. Technically, it’s a viable option.
But yeah, with how walled-garden the Internet has become, it probably won’t become popular without massive amounts of marketing and doing things like signing exclusivity deals with popular creators, which needs a lot of money.
Thats still going to get up petabytes of bandwidth at scale, and it will be sobs like you eating the cost of it. Which is why it’ll never work.
Bandwidth is cheaper the bigger in bulk you buy it, which is pretty much the only reason youtube of today is viable at all… All your peer2peer idea does is the same thing that every business in America does… Socialize the costs and privatize the profits.
It has been a long time since i’ve heard someone go crazy on the whole “p2p can fix anything/everything” spiel though. Its long since been overtaken by the whole “blockchain can fix anything/everything” spiel, so it was quite nostalgic hearing it again.
How does torrentijg work, then?
Not at all, if you are trying to serve a file to millions, if not billions, of simultaneous user downloads.
Thanks :) I’ve always been extremely pro-decentralization (that does not use blockchains to “solve” byzantine fault tolerance and sybil vulnerabilities). I’m fine with things being somewhat less efficient if they’re decentralized, and fine with creators and fans eating the costs about things they’re passionate about (though it would probably turn semi-decentralized with companies offering seeding/content-delivery services at low cost). The rise of symmetric home fiber connections further increases viability. But, I agree that it likely will never become mainstream.
everyone speaks boldly until they get a ISP bill for thousands, if not tens of thousands, of their local exchange equivalent of dollars.
Floatplane is more of a *patreon competitor than YouTube.
What’s wrong with visually indicating the thing being talked about?
Holy crap, the amount of hate in here, and no actual description of what it does. It’s essentially your normal home feed, but only the videos with thumbnails of the selected color. It’s also way over at the right of the home feed filters, so it isn’t like it’s being shoved down your throats.
Doesn’t stop it from being a dumb, pointless feature.
Why bother caring? Doesn’t make a difference to me.
I care because it shows YouTube is more interested in wasting resources on dumb, pointless features rather than fixing various problems that have been plaguing content creators over the years
The resources used to implement this aren’t the same as the ones that would be used to address some of the other issues, as the ones I know of are more social/legal ones.
I bet this was mostly done by a single coder who showed it off and management thought it was a fun thing so added it to the main site.
At this point I feel like it’s intentional, and either way, am not surprised. Unlike a lot of other commentors here, I don’t see the point in wasting mental power on worrying about it.
Yea, seems like a fun and quirky feature, but unfortunately I don’t think there’s anything big tech companies can do at this point to turn things around with public opinion given how utterly egregious their other sins have been (and continue to be).
Fun quirky features are things you make when you have a good product.
These types of features added to things with genuine ongoing problems will always piss off users.
Most people love YouTube, I know it doesn’t feel like it when you’re inside the Lemmy bubble but the big tech companies are far more popular than anything we like
I love the videos on it, and fist off I liked the site too, but they have been enshittifying it pretty hard lately
For me it was embedded in my feed, not in some remote setting
Yeah, it shows up there once, then is buried to the right of the filters afterwards.
Probably another method of gathering user data for their AI training models.
I no longer think that big media corporations are doing stupid things for no reason because they’re dumb
I think they do stupid things because they want another way to train their dumb AI and we’re all too dumb, mindless and powerless to say or do anything about it all.
It’s crazy when you think about it … humanity is degrading itself from all corners just to raise an idiot AI child that will be just as messed up as we are.
Can I get a feed that’s not insisting that I watch the same small selection of garbage for months? Thanks.
Or the videos you watched years ago and still remember. There is more youtube video than my lifetime why the hell would i watch the same shit over and over again?
The “not interested” button is your hero. Really, just hit “not interested” on a few of the offending genre and it should get right out of there.
If you also remove them from your history - even better
Disable your viewing history. I don’t go on YouTube deep dives like I used to, but at least my suggested videos aren’t all related to some previous dive I’ve done anymore.
This is a data collection strategy, not a feature
Remember the old days, when your aunt would send you an invite to a facebook game that would predict which celebrity you’re most like based on unrelated and harmless pieces of data, like: (1) Your favorite color, (2) Your first pet’s name, (3) The school you went to, (4) Your mother’s maiden name (5) Last four digits of your social security number (6) Birthdate
This sounds similarly comical if it was intended for data collection.
EDIT: I’ve reconsidered. Knowing color preferences is very useful for an advertisement company.
you know, I shouldn’t be surprised but I didn’t even think about that
I like algorithms giving me suggestions in all sorts of ways, but not shady ones. None of the people around me seem to mind, but I worry about a company like Google strongly influencing what information we consume. Even if they didn’t use this influence, it’s dangerous to have them in the position where they could.
Alphabet also shapes what content creators are most likely to create by demonetizing controversial or dissenting videos.
“Dissenting” here meaning using a swear word within 1 minute of an ad break, videos under a set length, and new content not dropping every week, in addition to what you normally think the word dissenting means
A lot of the most popular YouTube creators only post every few months and their content always gets plenty of impressions
They have a rule about not swearing at the start of a video because of the auto play feature and various accessibility tools, having it is probably better than the result of not having it.
I regularly get offered videos of all lengths including variations of mr skellybones that are between 8 and 15 seconds, though since shorts were added those are normally uploaded there now. Yes shorter videos earn less money and yes of course they do, why wouldn’t they? If lord of the rings was two minutes long then I I imagine the box set would be cheaper.
Creators have repeatedly spoken about how their videos and channels get suppressed priority if their videos arent released on a regular rapid timeline. Massive creators with huge followings can push through that by way of having insanely large fanbases who have notifications turned on. That does not change the facts of youtubes prioritization system.
Thats a nonsense excuse, because the autoplay doesnt pause at 2 minutes, and swearing within the time limit doesnt take you out of potential autoplay queue. Its because advertisers dont want swears in proximity to their ads, which is why the video gets demonetized. Youtube themselves said this when they established the policy.
Ok. And? That means literally nothing, youtube pays creators signifigantly less for not meeting the 10 min mark even when the number of ads run is not different. No one gives a shit what you were reccomended. Youtube still runs the same number of ads on 4-9 minute videos while paying the channel less for not crossing the threshold.
Yeah that too. But I mostly meant a mostly opaque list of keywords that get you demonetized, and it’s possible that there is an AI that assesses how likely a video is to put a viewer in a “click ad mood” or how likely it is to keep viewers watching. Unfortunately I don’t know exactly how it works, but if they do this, I assume they also do a whole lot more subtle things.
Controversial videos might actually do fine if they keep viewer watching and clicking on ads. But many things critical of the current consumerist and propaganda model at least gets a chilling effect. Creators know this is more work so many would avoid it. And some might not be able to make a living even though their content would be valuable for society and drop out.
So alphabet (massively) shapes the content our society sees the tube.
Honestly, the only social media i clearly see this is instagram and their comments. They sort by controversial to get engagement and an emotional response and affects my mood negatively tremendously (can’t find a single clip with a woman that doesn’t have a misogynistic comment in top10). TikTok is heaven for me in comparison, it’s my happy place.
shady Hah
You have the correct idea, but it’s way too late for most people. This “pre-selection” made by most services have been in place for a long while, and these days people even complains when they are not fed with it.
It is a sad state of affair; thankfully at some point enough people might move away from these automated suggestions, but I’m not holding my breath.
