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      I mean that’s beautifully put……

      But unfortunately it’s simpler than that. It’s the story of a reasonable man that achieved beyond his dreams and then flipped sides because of money and status.

      “Suddenly I have an opinion on the capital gains tax.” Type of stuff.

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        I, too, have an opinion on the capital gains tax. It should be taxed at the same rate as income. We can let them keep the exception on the first half million in profit because I’m feeling nice today.

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          It’s actually higher in many scenarios.

          What needs to be taxed like income is loans against the stocks

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            Oh yeah that’s right. I forgot about Buy, Borrow, Die.

            I agree, though I’d have to do something thinking about the exact right way to implement a tax on that kind of behavior.

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          Ok, I’ll bite, you don’t believe he’s changed?

          Or you think he’s still very reasonable?

          Make your case

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            He’s become more defiant at people screaming for him to change for sure. And he’s hardened his stance on progressives trying to live out others lives. But not in the sense that I’m reading from you and others. He’s not becoming new gop cheerleader or corporate mascot (outside the actual ads of course) or flipped as you call it. Fuck he was never on your side before COVID and everyone flipped their shit. He had on all sorts of people.

            As for question 2, no he was never reasonable, he’s a fucking moron.

            He’s just an idiot, he doesn’t like to be told what to do, and he’s now going to let the Internet screaming at him change what he does. It’s not done plot. He’s just an idiot and progressives have gone full crazy on him.

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              My side? lol you’re assuming a lot, you don’t know my side, you just know the I think rogan is an asshat.

              He’s got a big platform and he’s allowing the promotion of some fairly harmful content…… that in itself seems like a problem, no?

              I definitely believe that he just “doesn’t like to be told what to do”, that’s entirely his vibe.

              I’m curious what you mean by “progressives trying to live out other peoples lives”

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          In an airy studio, mics standing proud and tall,A host with a voice smooth as a vinyl’s call. Across the table, there sits a guest, Eyes bright, ready to contest.

          The host begins, “Welcome, listeners, to our weekly dive, Where thoughts and ideas vividly come alive. Today’s guest, someone quite unique, Brings perspectives some might seek.”

          And there she was, her aura all aglow, Storm, not her name, but what she seemed to sow. With every word, a challenge, a fight, Against the conventional, the known, the right…

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    I’m fifty. Joe Rogan is fifty six. Even though I was young in the eighties, by 1992 I had already lost six people I knew to AIDS. Joe, being six years older than I, would have witnessed peak AIDS apocalypse as an older teen. He was even from New Jersey, not some suburb in the midwest. He would have seen some shit. All he has to do is remember, but he chooses willful ignorance.

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      We all just lived through covid. It’s not that hard to imagine someone denying the existence of a global plague that effects people they know.

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        We are all living through global climate change, and the collapse of late stage capitalism, etc. These and their I’ll are selling copium to the masses of folks who can’t face reality and choose to live in fantasy.

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      He has repeatedly talked about how frightening it was to live thru the AIDS epidemic and seeing people drop left and right

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          Maybe not individually, but if you care about the subjects that he talks about at all, it’s good to at least keep an eye on what he’s telling his millions of listeners.

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      Oh, he remembers, it’s just he doesn’t give a fuck. All he wants is attention, because that’s how he makes cash.

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      Maybe he was lucky, I’m 46 and lost almost only old people through more or less old age. I feel really lucky about it. And I know people who lost people right and left, suicide, accidents, plane crashes…

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    They don’t care if what they are spouting is true or not. They just want a platform to make money off the gullible. It’s all about having a platform and making $$$.

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        People can’t stop and say, “Well, I wonder if there actually is fire in the theater? I will calmly head over to the person who shouted that and ask him for evidence that the fire is in fact in this theater. When he has explained his view about the fire, I will thoroughly research the topic and come to my own conclusions on the matter and make my own decision about how to respond to the issue of fire in the theater.”

        The real bummer is that a convincing enough argument could make people do some really stupid things. That’s always been true though. Never more true than now, when so many people are being argued at all the time about crazy things.

        I think it should be illegal to knowingly spread false information about things that could cause harm (especially for those who do it for money), but the bit that worries me is figuring out who decides and enforces the rules in such a case.

        I mean, we all seen the insurrection with our own eyes, and somehow people in positions of power who experienced it fucking say it didn’t happen, or that it was antifa.

        Well, my head is going back in the sand for a bit. Gonna go laugh at a meme or three.

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    Oh Bret. Having taken some of his classes in 2012, and having known his family and kids… I instantly recognize him in grift mode. He will always take refuge in plausible deniability and hyperfocus on a concrete detail (like 80s drug culture being unhealthy for people’s immune systems) and handwave the significance of other factors.

    He then leaves the conclusions to people like Rogan and won’t necessarily refute ridiculous takes.

    It was a technique for guiding academic seminars he used. It helped cut through people getting stuck in the weeds, but it also often just led to him allowing the seminar to derail and go into the weeds.

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    Free speech vs causing catastrophic harms. From the perspective of deaths caused, why is this different to firing shots into a crowd?

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      The American conception of freedom of speech is all about personal rights, with no thought to personal responsibility. The reason freedom of speech is important is precisely because it’s consequential. The idea of using free speech (a precious right) responsibly, if it ever existed, is gone now .

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        The reason and justification for free speech is also about preventing tyranny and holding people accountable and allowing unusual dissenting voices to be heard.

        But a few now own all the means of communication, control and shape the speech and have practically become the government. There is no freedom of speech if so much of it is controlled and so much noise is blasted. Speech has become a commodity and if it’s free it’s worthless.

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      I can decide to turn off nonsense podcasts. I can’t decide not to get shot if someone is shooting at me.

      A better metaphor might be screaming “that guy’s got a gun” in a crowded theatre. I might be able to ignore it, but lots of people are going to believe it and act accordingly, and their reaction is probably not going to be good for anyone.