But you’re arguing against a god that’s not the God of Christianity. You’re arguing against a strawman god.
hope they criticize the idea of a good God commiting or letting people commit such atrocities when an alternative is available.
And to add to this point, religious people who died despite praying and living under the covenant aren’t able to witness the futility of the practice, only the few who survived do so.
The God that Christians believe in does punish evil- through Heaven and Hell. Evil will be punished at the judgement. The punishment for sin is Death, so if God punished evil as it happened, literally nobody would be left.
As to you talking about Christians (I assume) who “died” despite praying, they’re in Eternal Glory now. A Glory so magnificent that they wouldn’t even spare a thought for the suffering they went through while on earth.
All God that is defeatable on the mind of a believer is a strawman God, as for it being the God of Christianity^TM well that’s a whole other can of worm.
A lot of what I’m talking about gets lost in translation and the way you equate sin with evil shows how we need a better way of communicating than church words if we want to have a better conversation.
I guess the best way to present it is that if you think the Christian God is a good God then he’s not showing it in the reality we can experience.
Sin and evil are equated lol. And any God who convicts people of their evil will be disliked by them, like how an angry kid dislikes a reasonable teacher
Isn’t sin by definition offence against a God?
The way I understand it christians see God as the ultimate authority. Like a father to a son.
It makes sense given the fact that we are raised in an authocratic environment.
I guess my point is when someone doesn’t believe in the concept of God, good and evil as an authority is nonsensical.
Eutyphro dillema and all that.
If you want to understand an atheist then you need to understand this first.
If you mostly care for the carrot and sticks of your particular religion then I understand why you aren’t motivated towards having a productive conversation.
Offence against God is evil. Morality doesn’t exist if it’s subjective. If morality is subjective, then who are you to tell me that doing x thing is wrong?
God isn’t merely a subject, He is the creator of the universe and of man, who is made in His image. Humans have a moral compass because God designed us to, I don’t see how it being an “evolved trait” refutes this
I know all the arguments, probably better than you know them yourself.
I was curious, investigated, saw nothing there that wasn’t obviously wishful thinking.
I have no interest in deconverting anyone, just to make sure we aren’t mischaracterised by the faithful (which we are all the time).
But you’re arguing against a god that’s not the God of Christianity. You’re arguing against a strawman god.
The God that Christians believe in does punish evil- through Heaven and Hell. Evil will be punished at the judgement. The punishment for sin is Death, so if God punished evil as it happened, literally nobody would be left.
As to you talking about Christians (I assume) who “died” despite praying, they’re in Eternal Glory now. A Glory so magnificent that they wouldn’t even spare a thought for the suffering they went through while on earth.
All God that is defeatable on the mind of a believer is a strawman God, as for it being the God of Christianity^TM well that’s a whole other can of worm.
A lot of what I’m talking about gets lost in translation and the way you equate sin with evil shows how we need a better way of communicating than church words if we want to have a better conversation.
I guess the best way to present it is that if you think the Christian God is a good God then he’s not showing it in the reality we can experience.
Sin and evil are equated lol. And any God who convicts people of their evil will be disliked by them, like how an angry kid dislikes a reasonable teacher
Isn’t sin by definition offence against a God? The way I understand it christians see God as the ultimate authority. Like a father to a son. It makes sense given the fact that we are raised in an authocratic environment. I guess my point is when someone doesn’t believe in the concept of God, good and evil as an authority is nonsensical. Eutyphro dillema and all that.
If you want to understand an atheist then you need to understand this first. If you mostly care for the carrot and sticks of your particular religion then I understand why you aren’t motivated towards having a productive conversation.
Offence against God is evil. Morality doesn’t exist if it’s subjective. If morality is subjective, then who are you to tell me that doing x thing is wrong?
God is a subject. Is he good? If so, how would you know?
Morality is an evolved trait they also can find in other apes on a different scale.
God isn’t merely a subject, He is the creator of the universe and of man, who is made in His image. Humans have a moral compass because God designed us to, I don’t see how it being an “evolved trait” refutes this
I can’t refute what hasn’t been proven…
I know all the arguments, probably better than you know them yourself. I was curious, investigated, saw nothing there that wasn’t obviously wishful thinking.
I have no interest in deconverting anyone, just to make sure we aren’t mischaracterised by the faithful (which we are all the time).
I’m arguing on the basis of the Christian God who isn’t subjective