By installing a heat pump in his house in the hills of Oslo, Oyvind Solstad killed three birds with one stone, improving his comfort, finances and climate footprint.

Heat pumps can’t take the cold? Nordics debunk the myth::By installing a heat pump in his house in the hills of Oslo, Oyvind Solstad killed three birds with one stone, improving his comfort, finances and climate footprint.

    • tony@lemmy.hoyle.me.ukEnglish
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      1 year ago

      Yeah it’s a bit shitty right now… I applied… 2k with the 7.5k grant (so the bare cost is 9.5k!). Not cost effective but… wanted to do my bit.

      However, I couldn’t go ahead, it just didn’t make sense.

      To get the grant all rooms must be heated, and the cost of required adaptation of my bathroom to add a radiator of the required size was somewhat eyewatering…
      Heat pumps must not cool, otherwise they’re not eligible, so I’m still on the hook for AC at some point (given how hot it’s getting) which is stupid given they’re basically the same tech.
      Planning rules state that heat pumps are only permitted development within a very specific set of conditions, and because of the noise they make I would have to get planning permission at my own expense (and my neighbours already complain if we talk too loud so likelihood of actually getting it very low).

      And, specific to the installer I was using (Octopus)…

      They wanted to install a 1mx1m water tank. That won’t fit in the airing cupboard (not even close) so they suggested the kitchen… making it difficult or impossible to open the back door…
      Their heat pump (daikin) is about 2m wide. My house is only 7.5m wide, you take off 1m each side for the legal thing where heat pumps have to be 1m from the neighbours boundary, space for the door, some drainage… the only position they could suggest was the middle of the back yard…

      • TechnofroodEnglish
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        1 year ago

        Yeah that’s part of my worry, my gas boiler is 10+years old so needs replacing at some point soon, Id be up for going to a heat pump, but I don’t really have the space for it out side. Guess I might just go for a top of the line gas boiler before they stop selling them (I mean I assume they will gradually phase them out so no new installs, only replacements of existing ones, then nope) to cover the next decade and hope for some smaller units.

      • azertyfun@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        1 year ago

        Hah, from Belgium I can relate with the nonsensical requirements for grants and the fact that heat pump units can be hard to install in row housing.

        Sounds like the rules are stupid and only written for new construction or very deep renovations. It will almost certainly be more cost-effective to do your own thing, without government help.

        I haven’t made the plunge yet, but a reversible mini-split is probably what you want. They’re much smaller, wall-mountable units that require no change to the existing heating system (and are easily DIY’d if you can run the electrical circuit yourself). You can put one ventilation box per floor, which should cover the vast majority of your heating needs. Sure, it might not have the capacity to heat your house to 20°C when it’s -5°C outside (unless your house is really well insulated), but perfect should not be the enemy of good. Not turning on the gas boiler at all on mild winter days is already a big win.

        For tap water I believe there are models that have about the same dimensions as a standard water tank but with a heat pump integrated. Can’t say I looked too deep into that though.

        • GbyBE@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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          1 year ago

          It’s not that they can’t heat your home to 20°C in the winter on those occasions where it’s freezing outside, it’s just that the heat output decreases as it gets colder, while the heat loss of your house increase, and your size your unit(s) for a specific temperature.

          Our air to air system still has a cop of just above 4 at -7°C and 3 at -15°C. It manages to heat our 1960 house just fine (decently insulated, but not to modern standards). Even on those rare occasions the temperature drops that low in Belgium, we should be fine.

          In a more modern house, the system could’ve been cheaper thanks to the better insulation.