In his statements the US billionaire “proposes to allow Russia to commit crimes
against Ukrainians”, Mikhail Podolyak, advisor to the head of the Office of the
President, wrote on social media. “When someone who sits comfortably thousands
of kilometres away from war and importantly argues about other people’s fates
suggests that Ukraine should agree to “negotiations/capitulation” after 600+
days of bloody genocide, he is really suggesting that Russia should be allowed
to continue committing crimes, slaughtering civilians, killing global rules.
Until the world finally chokes on democratic blood and recognises tyrants as
global leaders,” the politician believes. American billionaire Elon Musk has
called on the world to sympathize with the Russian occupiers, because “they were
not forced to be on the front line”, adding that Ukraine should stop resisting
the Russian Federation. He “advised” Volodymyr Zelenskyy to abandon the
counteroffensive and agree to peace talks with Russian dictator Vladimir Putin.
Musk made his remarks in an interview with US blogger of European origin Lex
Fridman, who does not condemn the war of the Russian Federation. You can read
about it here:
https://www.txtreport.com/news/2023-11-11-“we-must-sympathize-with-the-russian-guys”--musk-“advised”-zelensky-to-meet-with-putin.Hklj17fTm6.html
[https://www.txtreport.com/news/2023-11-11-%22we-must-sympathize-with-the-russian-guys%22--musk-%22advised%22-zelensky-to-meet-with-putin.Hklj17fTm6.html]
Lets see how many downvotes directly quoting the source gets me.
urging the world to ‘sympathize with the Russian occupiers’
And we should have some sympathy for the Russian boys as well as the Ukrainian boys, because Russian boys, because boys didn’t ask to be on their frontline. They have to be. So there’s a lot of sons not coming back to their parents, and I think most of them don’t hate the other side. It’s sort of like as this saying comes from World War I, it’s like young boys who don’t know each other killing each other on behalf of old men that do know each other. The hell’s the point of that.
Elon Musk’s ‘advice’ to ‘stop resisting Russia’
Well, I think that what is likely to happen, which is really pretty much the way it is, is that something very close to the current lines will be how a ceasefire or truce happens. But you just have a situation right now where whoever goes on the offensive will suffer casualties at several times the rate of whoever’s on the defense because you’ve got defense in depth, you’ve got minefields, trenches, anti-tank defenses. Nobody has air superiority because the anti-aircraft missiles are really far better than the aircraft. They’re far more of them. And so neither side has air superiority. Tanks are basically death traps, just slow moving, and they’re not immune to anti-tank weapons. So you really just have long range artillery and infantry ranges. It’s World War I all over again with drones, thrown old drones, some drones there.
He “advised” Volodymyr Zelenskyy to abandon the counteroffensive and agree to peace talks with Russian dictator Vladimir Putin
Look, I think I would just recommend do not send the flower of Ukrainian youth to die in trenches, whether he talks to Putin or not, just don’t do that. Whoever goes on the offensive will lose massive numbers of people and history will not look kindly upon them.
Most of this is just general “war is bad for everyone” and the old “the ones fighting the war aren’t the one who want the war”. It’s true but it’s also really nothing new or especially smart.
Look, I think I would just recommend do not send the flower of Ukrainian youth to die in trenches, whether he talks to Putin or not, just don’t do that
This part though is what I find problematic. This way of framing the current situation suggests a few things:
Ukraine is the one deciding for this war to happen
All that would be needed to stop this war would be talking with putin about a truce
Putin attacking Ukraine is sort of a “higher power” like a natural catastrophe that just has to be accepted
It also completely ignores a few things:
The lines are only this stable because Ukrainians risk and lose their lives every day to defend them. Stopping this would mean a truce would be no longer negotiable. Because why would Putin suddenly stop the efforts to move the lines once resistance has stopped?
Putin is the one responsible for Ukrainians going into this war and dying at the frontlines, just as he is responsible for the russian soldiers that are dying there
Also: Telling a nation to just roll over and be invaded is such an american thing to suggest.
Edit: This also misses the whole thing where other countries might accept you as a refugee if you desert the russian army, if you really didn’t want to fight in this war.
So, yeah. The article accurately represents the source, based on the quotes you shared. There’s a lot more appealing to people’s emotions in the source, but he’s still saying the same thing.
They aren’t being conscripted into a war, so your analogy doesn’t work.
If I was forced to fight, I’d rather turn on the one that forces me than on the ones they tell me to fight.
This war isn’t going to stop until Putin gets threatened to do so by his own population.
Because the west sure as hell isn’t going to let Ukraine just roll over and let Russia get away with yet an other territory that does not belong to them.
Lets see how many downvotes directly quoting the source gets me.
And we should have some sympathy for the Russian boys as well as the Ukrainian boys, because Russian boys, because boys didn’t ask to be on their frontline. They have to be. So there’s a lot of sons not coming back to their parents, and I think most of them don’t hate the other side. It’s sort of like as this saying comes from World War I, it’s like young boys who don’t know each other killing each other on behalf of old men that do know each other. The hell’s the point of that.
Well, I think that what is likely to happen, which is really pretty much the way it is, is that something very close to the current lines will be how a ceasefire or truce happens. But you just have a situation right now where whoever goes on the offensive will suffer casualties at several times the rate of whoever’s on the defense because you’ve got defense in depth, you’ve got minefields, trenches, anti-tank defenses. Nobody has air superiority because the anti-aircraft missiles are really far better than the aircraft. They’re far more of them. And so neither side has air superiority. Tanks are basically death traps, just slow moving, and they’re not immune to anti-tank weapons. So you really just have long range artillery and infantry ranges. It’s World War I all over again with drones, thrown old drones, some drones there.
Look, I think I would just recommend do not send the flower of Ukrainian youth to die in trenches, whether he talks to Putin or not, just don’t do that. Whoever goes on the offensive will lose massive numbers of people and history will not look kindly upon them.
Source
Most of this is just general “war is bad for everyone” and the old “the ones fighting the war aren’t the one who want the war”. It’s true but it’s also really nothing new or especially smart.
This part though is what I find problematic. This way of framing the current situation suggests a few things:
It also completely ignores a few things:
Also: Telling a nation to just roll over and be invaded is such an american thing to suggest.
Edit: This also misses the whole thing where other countries might accept you as a refugee if you desert the russian army, if you really didn’t want to fight in this war.
So, yeah. The article accurately represents the source, based on the quotes you shared. There’s a lot more appealing to people’s emotions in the source, but he’s still saying the same thing.
Exactly. It’s all sympathy for the devil platitudes.
“Think of the flower of Ukrainian youth!” sounds much better than “stop resisting and let the Russians occupy part of your country”, though
He’s not wrong
He is mistaken in it not being Russia’s choice
It’s not the choice of the Ukrainian boys because they are being invaded
The invaders do have the choice to march against Moscow
Why dont you go march against Washington then over their support for Israel.
Easier said than done
Not American but why would I support Hamas? Israel is more tolerable of gays 👈👈 (best I could do for finger guns)
And I’m not the one killing Palestinians so it’s not comparable
Having said that there has already been a march on Moscow that they could have joined
They aren’t being conscripted into a war, so your analogy doesn’t work.
If I was forced to fight, I’d rather turn on the one that forces me than on the ones they tell me to fight.
This war isn’t going to stop until Putin gets threatened to do so by his own population.
Because the west sure as hell isn’t going to let Ukraine just roll over and let Russia get away with yet an other territory that does not belong to them.