I love punishing low wage workers while making statements on how the system should change.
“Oh, you thought you could afford to take a day off this week to help an elderly parent make it to a doctor appointment? Nah, get fucked. You can’t afford to that and buy groceries.”
It sucks that low wage workers are stuck in the middle, but corporations are also relying on customer guilt to pay their labor costs while posting record profits.
It’s not really fair to blame the customer for that.
So your saying we should reward the buisness for their poor practice by giving them our money and then protest the practice of tipping by not giving the low wage worker any?
It’s not up to the customer to directly pay the wages of restaurant employees, period. No one is ever “owed” a tip. The food service industry convinces their employees otherwise, and the result is employees blaming customers for the wage theft that the employer is committing. Blaming customers for not tipping is misguided.
Okay. We’re past this point in the debate. No, it SHOULDN’T be the customer’s responsibility, but that’s exactly what it becomes when you justify your nice night out off of the underpaid labor of someone who is just trying to pay their bills. Restaurant owners laugh all the way to the bank reading these threads because they’re the ones profiting off of your disdain for a low income worker.
Yes it is. Knowingly rewarding shitty business practices and making it “nobody’s fault!” is literally your fault. The business has no incentive to change their policies if you keep spending money there.
I’m not sure how I made it “nobody’s fault”. It’s the corporation’s fault for low wages, and the government’s fault for allowing them to do that.
You’re right that they have no incentive to change on their own. And if every business is doing it, it’s not realistic to tell consumers to just stop going to every business.
You realize you’re turning against consumers in the same economic class instead of turning on the people actually creating the problem.
Actually, they’re saying boycott those businesses instead of supporting them, so that maybe actual change can happen. Those business owners only care about their bottom line, it’s just that the people with the power to actually effect that bottom line instead say “here’s a tip, get a better job” to the lowest person on the ladder.
But the other person has a point. It’s every business nowadays trying to subsidize employee wages with tips. So as a customer we’re not supposed to go anywhere? How is that possible? I’ll not cross the picket line, but I also need to buy food and groceries and live my life.
Idk about you, but I haven’t been asked to tip at my grocery store one time. I also shop at one that does cost a bit more but also does pay a bit more than other local competitors. You could always cook at home.
I also do tip food service on the rare occasion I patronize the business, which is another way. While you’re still supporting the scummy business you don’t also have to feel high and mighty about not tipping the exploited worker while doing so, you can just tip them instead.
And if every business is doing it, it’s not realistic to tell consumers to just stop going to every business.
I don’t know how you can say “boycott those businesses” with a straight face when asking for tips has become so pervasive in every customer-facing industry.
Idk where you live, maybe it’s different there, but where I am this is an absurd hyperbole. Never have I ever been asked to tip at the grocery store, for instance, nor at fast food places like mcdonalds and wendys that specifically forbid their employees from taking tips, nor megastores like Target, Walmart, etc, nor at local shops which tbh are almost all replaced by corporations around here anyway (hate it but I guess the people have spoken). Sure, restaurants, ice cream stands, coffee shops; y’know the places that have been customary to tip since like, what, the last 100 years? Yeah, they still ask for tips.
I will concede there is one unusual place asking for tips I’ve seen in my area, a thrift store, but they also pay fairly, it just so happens that they didn’t design the android-tablet-POS-OS that they use and the people that did design it included a tip screen. Do I think the devs should make that optional, or make it able to be changed to donations instead of tips? Sure, but unfortunately they seem to have neglected that and afaik it’s closed source, so unless they update it we’re stuck with it.
No, you’ll just subsidize the people exploiting them instead because it’s convenient and you can’t be bothered to heat up your own nuggies, all the while feeling holier than thou about not “subsidizing” the actual worker.
Uh no. There are limits to tipping no matter how much empathy you have. Thinking if a tip is asked for means you are necessarily fuck the worker means you’re falling for a scam a significant amount of the time, and in cases like that it 100% wouldn’t surprise me if a lot if such owners are keeping the tips for themselves. That shit is illegal but happens all the time without consequence
I love punishing low wage workers while making statements on how the system should change.
“Oh, you thought you could afford to take a day off this week to help an elderly parent make it to a doctor appointment? Nah, get fucked. You can’t afford to that and buy groceries.”
It sucks that low wage workers are stuck in the middle, but corporations are also relying on customer guilt to pay their labor costs while posting record profits.
It’s not really fair to blame the customer for that.
So your saying we should reward the buisness for their poor practice by giving them our money and then protest the practice of tipping by not giving the low wage worker any?
It’s not up to the customer to directly pay the wages of restaurant employees, period. No one is ever “owed” a tip. The food service industry convinces their employees otherwise, and the result is employees blaming customers for the wage theft that the employer is committing. Blaming customers for not tipping is misguided.
Okay. We’re past this point in the debate. No, it SHOULDN’T be the customer’s responsibility, but that’s exactly what it becomes when you justify your nice night out off of the underpaid labor of someone who is just trying to pay their bills. Restaurant owners laugh all the way to the bank reading these threads because they’re the ones profiting off of your disdain for a low income worker.
No, no one is saying anything like that, I think they made a pretty clear statement
Yes it is. Knowingly rewarding shitty business practices and making it “nobody’s fault!” is literally your fault. The business has no incentive to change their policies if you keep spending money there.
I’m not sure how I made it “nobody’s fault”. It’s the corporation’s fault for low wages, and the government’s fault for allowing them to do that.
You’re right that they have no incentive to change on their own. And if every business is doing it, it’s not realistic to tell consumers to just stop going to every business.
You realize you’re turning against consumers in the same economic class instead of turning on the people actually creating the problem.
Actually, they’re saying boycott those businesses instead of supporting them, so that maybe actual change can happen. Those business owners only care about their bottom line, it’s just that the people with the power to actually effect that bottom line instead say “here’s a tip, get a better job” to the lowest person on the ladder.
But the other person has a point. It’s every business nowadays trying to subsidize employee wages with tips. So as a customer we’re not supposed to go anywhere? How is that possible? I’ll not cross the picket line, but I also need to buy food and groceries and live my life.
Idk about you, but I haven’t been asked to tip at my grocery store one time. I also shop at one that does cost a bit more but also does pay a bit more than other local competitors. You could always cook at home.
I also do tip food service on the rare occasion I patronize the business, which is another way. While you’re still supporting the scummy business you don’t also have to feel high and mighty about not tipping the exploited worker while doing so, you can just tip them instead.
I don’t know how you can say “boycott those businesses” with a straight face when asking for tips has become so pervasive in every customer-facing industry.
Idk where you live, maybe it’s different there, but where I am this is an absurd hyperbole. Never have I ever been asked to tip at the grocery store, for instance, nor at fast food places like mcdonalds and wendys that specifically forbid their employees from taking tips, nor megastores like Target, Walmart, etc, nor at local shops which tbh are almost all replaced by corporations around here anyway (hate it but I guess the people have spoken). Sure, restaurants, ice cream stands, coffee shops; y’know the places that have been customary to tip since like, what, the last 100 years? Yeah, they still ask for tips.
I will concede there is one unusual place asking for tips I’ve seen in my area, a thrift store, but they also pay fairly, it just so happens that they didn’t design the android-tablet-POS-OS that they use and the people that did design it included a tip screen. Do I think the devs should make that optional, or make it able to be changed to donations instead of tips? Sure, but unfortunately they seem to have neglected that and afaik it’s closed source, so unless they update it we’re stuck with it.
It’s not my fault the system is broken. I’m not going to subsidize them. If they want fair wages they should unionize.
Stop rewarding the business owner with your money while they’re robbing their employees. You only exacerbate the situation with this mentality.
No, you’ll just subsidize the people exploiting them instead because it’s convenient and you can’t be bothered to heat up your own nuggies, all the while feeling holier than thou about not “subsidizing” the actual worker.
Sounds cool bro.
Me too
Uh no. There are limits to tipping no matter how much empathy you have. Thinking if a tip is asked for means you are necessarily fuck the worker means you’re falling for a scam a significant amount of the time, and in cases like that it 100% wouldn’t surprise me if a lot if such owners are keeping the tips for themselves. That shit is illegal but happens all the time without consequence