• jabjoe
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    9 months ago

    Appeasing people like Putin doesn’t lead to peace.

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      9 months ago

      Thousand of men women and children are dying, what is your practical solution to stop the death?

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        9 months ago

        Giving up liberty doesn’t buy you security. You just end up with neither. Putin won’t stop with Ukraine.

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      9 months ago

      Ah, love seeing liberals always scapegoating one guy at the top instead of the capitalist system that brought them to power in the first place.

      If Pootin died right now, he’d just be replaced by someone similar. Or worse, since most his real opposition currently are even more right wing than him. Unless the material reasons for this war happening in the first place aren’t dealt with (ie the 2014 anti-Russia US-backed fascist coup and the subsequent killing of ethnic Russians and Eastern Ukrainians and Crimeans for resisting), nothing will change.

      From a comment below

      The situation in Ukraine is an inevitable escalation in the war that started in 2014 with the US-backed fascist coup in Ukraine that goes against the interests and wishes of Eastern Ukrainians

      https://iili.io/JX9sm8l.png

      and the subsequent killings of ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine, like Donbas, DPR, and LPR, by the coup gov for resisting.

      To be clear, I don’t support the invasion per se. In fact, its goal of suppressing fascism in western Ukraine seems to have kinda backfired from this after all, with the Ukraine gov using this as an excuse to suppress the left.

      But the point is, what else could’ve they done? The US had meticulously blocked off all other options over the years. Russia had already tried to join NATO multiple times from even before the USSR’s overthrow and have been denied (since it’s an imperialist org whose entire purpose is to suppress socialism globally, and particularly supress Russia) and they already had the Minsk agreements which the US sidelined through the coup. Not doing something about it would lead to the continued killing of ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine by the coup gov, and NATO getting even closer to Russia since the post-2014 US puppet gov doesn’t abide by the Minsk agreements.