I’m sure over time, if they keep up a good standard, the whole “Chinesium” thing will go away. Would help if other stuff from China was better made too.
The world needs EVs at the price, range and quality these appear to be. European and American companies will only bought a bit of time by fear of “Chinesium” and spyware.
You’re casting aspersions at the wrong people. The companies setting the manufacturing parameters requesting she’s importing the cheap and poorly manufactured products from China are not Chinese companies, they are American, Euro, other countries’ companies requesting poor and unsafe products to sell to you.
Look at Decathlon. A fantastic French sportswear and sports equipment company that designs all of their own products, sends the designs and manufacture specifications to factories in southern China, where Chinese factories manufacture clothing and hiking/sports equipment to those specifications and you have durable, dependable, comfortable sportswear and equipment that matches or surpasses similar products of any country I’ve ever been to.
Or you have Mattel or Walmart or Amazon ordering the cheapest fibers without specifying the manufacturer or design of the product and you have bath mats that give your feet rashes or air fryers that burn out after 3 weeks.
The racist and inaccurate epithet “Chinesium” describes the poor manufacturing requested by Americans, Europeans, and every other country that asks China to manufacture cheap products for them at the expense of quality and safety, not the manufacturing capability or contemporary product range of Chinese factories.
I said right at the beginning of this Amazon, EBay, etc where to blame too. I’d also blame US and EU regulators for not coming down on substandard stuff being sold on these platforms by drop shippers and flyby night companies. China manufacturing has got more tarring than those platforms and I agree it is unfair, but AliExpress is no better and is not a US/EU platform.
Your arguments about “Chinesium” are racist and unwarranted if you have any idea about a) how products supply chains work or b) stick to the topic of EVs, which passes all of your targeted requirements but you maintain is still bad in some way solely because of their ethnicity.
You haven’t picked up I’m not saying for sure they are bad. Just that I have low trust because of past non-EV product experience. Lots of people in this boat. That’s just reality.
I understand you want to backtrack all the things you’ve been saying, but nobody has accused you of saying “for sure they are bad”
This is a public ledger, anyone can just scroll up.
Even though the thread is specifically about Chinese EVs, You are continually ignoring the topic to perpetuate tangential, baseless accusations about Chinese manufacturing and using racial slurs to disclaim your ignorance.
“Trade alone doesn’t improve how the[sic] act”
“Chinesium”
“Would help if other stuff from China was better made”
“Things made of “Chinesium” are known for amazing cheapness not quality.”
Then, after I explain how corporate manufacturing supply chains work, and lower quality is demanded by for and distributors, you admit that the reputation is not earned and is unfair.
“China manufacturing has got more tarring than those platforms and I agree it is unfair”
Although in every comment you’ve made you’ve been blaming the Chinese ethnicity for specific poor manufacturing processes and quality that other countries specifically request.
You’re using disclaimers to wave away your racist or ignorant lines, and then continuing to say ethnically bigoted and maintain disprove unfounded accusations.
You argue “I don’t trust Chinese goods comply unless they are independently checked.”
I provide the links that explain exactly how Chinese EVs are independently tested abroad and have been for years, while pointing out that similar auto companies not from China manufacturer products that literally fall apart.
You continue to use ethnic slurs and repeat that you need independent testing, even though Independent testing you were unaware of is done and the evidence has been provided to you.
You’re using ethnic slurs to describe the manufacturing process of a country, and then complaining that simple, factual rebuttals against your claims are not fair because you never clarified your racism or ignorance explicitly.
In addition to the explicit quotes provided above, the baseless accusations, implications and ethnic prejudices are right there in everything you said already.
You claim “China is a problem, but cars isn’t where I’d start.”
Then I’m not sure why you’re replying to a thread and comments specifically about the Chinese EV industry and manufacturing practices , topics you’ve demonstrated very little knowledge of and prejudice towards.
I’m not back peddling, I’m just spitting out any words you try and put in my mouth for a canned argument rebuttal. Or maybe we are just talking past each other. As long as both want good EV to replace ICE cars and fair trading, we’re probably not far off each other. As China becomes richer, it quality of everything will go up and cheap substand manufacturing will move to another country. Then that place or places will get the bad rap to climb out of. The cycle continues. Pretty that is starting now.
We aren’t talking past each other, you’re again advancing foolish and baseless racist falsities that have been disproven in previous comments.
“As China becomes richer, it quality of everything will go up.”
Incorrect, because 1) they are the worlds 2nd largest economy, so obviously money isn’t an issue 2) you’ve agreed that it is the fault of companies outside of Chinese requesting subpar products that result in subpar products manufacturing, not Chinese manufacturing standards 3) the quality of their products are already independently tested to exceed that of countries you are more ethnically sympathetic to.
You’re making the same false arguments backed by zero evidence and racist disclaimers.
You must know that it’s not total wealth of the nation, but the wealth of citizens that matters. When China is broadly all middle class, there won’t be cheap labour. Amazon, EBay and others is still awash with cheap goods that doesn’t always pass standards claimed. As I’ve repeatedly said, I don’t just blame Chinese companies for this, but those large multinational companies. I have said multiple times, it is unfair that Chinese manfacturing is blamed alone for this. There really should be “Amazilian” to go with “Chinesium” or something that combines them. This cheap crap is a problem for a lot of people. The environment. The buyers, not protected by the standards of their markets. Other manufacturers, having to acturally follow the standards, so struggle to compete on cost even more. It has made people, including me, skeptical of what may well be quality good coming out of China. Time will tell and build reputation. I hope for the end of cheap crap, but as I said, it will move on from China. Other economies have room for a lot of growth until all citizens everywhere are broadly similar. Seams like none of this is something I haven’t basically said at least once before…
I’m sure over time, if they keep up a good standard, the whole “Chinesium” thing will go away. Would help if other stuff from China was better made too.
The world needs EVs at the price, range and quality these appear to be. European and American companies will only bought a bit of time by fear of “Chinesium” and spyware.
You’re casting aspersions at the wrong people. The companies setting the manufacturing parameters requesting she’s importing the cheap and poorly manufactured products from China are not Chinese companies, they are American, Euro, other countries’ companies requesting poor and unsafe products to sell to you.
Look at Decathlon. A fantastic French sportswear and sports equipment company that designs all of their own products, sends the designs and manufacture specifications to factories in southern China, where Chinese factories manufacture clothing and hiking/sports equipment to those specifications and you have durable, dependable, comfortable sportswear and equipment that matches or surpasses similar products of any country I’ve ever been to.
Or you have Mattel or Walmart or Amazon ordering the cheapest fibers without specifying the manufacturer or design of the product and you have bath mats that give your feet rashes or air fryers that burn out after 3 weeks.
The racist and inaccurate epithet “Chinesium” describes the poor manufacturing requested by Americans, Europeans, and every other country that asks China to manufacture cheap products for them at the expense of quality and safety, not the manufacturing capability or contemporary product range of Chinese factories.
I said right at the beginning of this Amazon, EBay, etc where to blame too. I’d also blame US and EU regulators for not coming down on substandard stuff being sold on these platforms by drop shippers and flyby night companies. China manufacturing has got more tarring than those platforms and I agree it is unfair, but AliExpress is no better and is not a US/EU platform.
That’s my whole point.
Your arguments about “Chinesium” are racist and unwarranted if you have any idea about a) how products supply chains work or b) stick to the topic of EVs, which passes all of your targeted requirements but you maintain is still bad in some way solely because of their ethnicity.
You haven’t picked up I’m not saying for sure they are bad. Just that I have low trust because of past non-EV product experience. Lots of people in this boat. That’s just reality.
I understand you want to backtrack all the things you’ve been saying, but nobody has accused you of saying “for sure they are bad” This is a public ledger, anyone can just scroll up.
Even though the thread is specifically about Chinese EVs, You are continually ignoring the topic to perpetuate tangential, baseless accusations about Chinese manufacturing and using racial slurs to disclaim your ignorance.
“Trade alone doesn’t improve how the[sic] act”
“Chinesium”
“Would help if other stuff from China was better made”
“Things made of “Chinesium” are known for amazing cheapness not quality.”
Then, after I explain how corporate manufacturing supply chains work, and lower quality is demanded by for and distributors, you admit that the reputation is not earned and is unfair.
“China manufacturing has got more tarring than those platforms and I agree it is unfair”
Although in every comment you’ve made you’ve been blaming the Chinese ethnicity for specific poor manufacturing processes and quality that other countries specifically request.
You’re using disclaimers to wave away your racist or ignorant lines, and then continuing to say ethnically bigoted and maintain disprove unfounded accusations.
You argue “I don’t trust Chinese goods comply unless they are independently checked.”
I provide the links that explain exactly how Chinese EVs are independently tested abroad and have been for years, while pointing out that similar auto companies not from China manufacturer products that literally fall apart.
You continue to use ethnic slurs and repeat that you need independent testing, even though Independent testing you were unaware of is done and the evidence has been provided to you.
You’re using ethnic slurs to describe the manufacturing process of a country, and then complaining that simple, factual rebuttals against your claims are not fair because you never clarified your racism or ignorance explicitly.
In addition to the explicit quotes provided above, the baseless accusations, implications and ethnic prejudices are right there in everything you said already.
You claim “China is a problem, but cars isn’t where I’d start.”
Then I’m not sure why you’re replying to a thread and comments specifically about the Chinese EV industry and manufacturing practices , topics you’ve demonstrated very little knowledge of and prejudice towards.
I’m not back peddling, I’m just spitting out any words you try and put in my mouth for a canned argument rebuttal. Or maybe we are just talking past each other. As long as both want good EV to replace ICE cars and fair trading, we’re probably not far off each other. As China becomes richer, it quality of everything will go up and cheap substand manufacturing will move to another country. Then that place or places will get the bad rap to climb out of. The cycle continues. Pretty that is starting now.
You’re peddling something.
We aren’t talking past each other, you’re again advancing foolish and baseless racist falsities that have been disproven in previous comments.
“As China becomes richer, it quality of everything will go up.”
Incorrect, because 1) they are the worlds 2nd largest economy, so obviously money isn’t an issue 2) you’ve agreed that it is the fault of companies outside of Chinese requesting subpar products that result in subpar products manufacturing, not Chinese manufacturing standards 3) the quality of their products are already independently tested to exceed that of countries you are more ethnically sympathetic to.
You’re making the same false arguments backed by zero evidence and racist disclaimers.
You must know that it’s not total wealth of the nation, but the wealth of citizens that matters. When China is broadly all middle class, there won’t be cheap labour. Amazon, EBay and others is still awash with cheap goods that doesn’t always pass standards claimed. As I’ve repeatedly said, I don’t just blame Chinese companies for this, but those large multinational companies. I have said multiple times, it is unfair that Chinese manfacturing is blamed alone for this. There really should be “Amazilian” to go with “Chinesium” or something that combines them. This cheap crap is a problem for a lot of people. The environment. The buyers, not protected by the standards of their markets. Other manufacturers, having to acturally follow the standards, so struggle to compete on cost even more. It has made people, including me, skeptical of what may well be quality good coming out of China. Time will tell and build reputation. I hope for the end of cheap crap, but as I said, it will move on from China. Other economies have room for a lot of growth until all citizens everywhere are broadly similar. Seams like none of this is something I haven’t basically said at least once before…