Of course Marx isn’t really a good hold up either. Any actually communist society probably wouldn’t follow a lot of his doctrines. His beliefs, if actually implemented, would have all ended in civil unrest anyway. His views were inherently unfair and very much open to abuse and corruption. If you were unlucky enough to be on the bottom rung of society then that’s where you stayed.
A modern view of communism would be much closer to socialism than anything Marx advocated for. At least socialism allows for social advancement.
On a continuum where you’ve got tankies on one side and socialism on the other, Marx would be closer to the Tankies end of the spectrum than the socialist. He’s definitely not in the middle.
If you were unlucky enough to be on the bottom rung of society then that’s where you stayed.
A modern view of communism would be much closer to socialism than anything Marx advocated for. At least socialism allows for social advancement.
My guy you don’t know shit. Marx believed in a classless society. There would be no “rungs”. Also what he believed in is socialism, because communism is a form of socialism. This is what happens when you believe what the right wing tells you about Karl Marx without actually asking any leftists or reading it for yourself.
A lot of the things Tankies believe like the concept of a Vanguard party happened after Marx. Marx would have never approved of the USSR, or at least how it ended and all the things that happened under Stalin.
Yeah but he didn’t. Because money still exists and been poor meant you got less money. So no matter what he said you would still have less. You’d need UBI to really go classless
The man literally wanted to abolish money in the long term. He also wanted to get rid of the profit motive. This is one of the dumbest things I have ever read talking about Marx.
Edit: also thinking UBI will lead to a classless society. What an absolute joke. Not saying UBI is bad or anything, but that’s just not what it does. There went me thinking that I was clueless about politics, this is next level misinformed.
Fair enough. I know a lot of his views were rooted in traditions and biases he grew up around. My point was more just that tankies and places like modern Russia and China aren’t really communist.
My girlfriend is Chinese and she has shared so many examples of classism and wealth inequality there, many of which are enforced by the state and its laws. China is in many ways no more egalitarian than the US.
Of course Marx isn’t really a good hold up either. Any actually communist society probably wouldn’t follow a lot of his doctrines. His beliefs, if actually implemented, would have all ended in civil unrest anyway. His views were inherently unfair and very much open to abuse and corruption. If you were unlucky enough to be on the bottom rung of society then that’s where you stayed.
A modern view of communism would be much closer to socialism than anything Marx advocated for. At least socialism allows for social advancement.
On a continuum where you’ve got tankies on one side and socialism on the other, Marx would be closer to the Tankies end of the spectrum than the socialist. He’s definitely not in the middle.
My guy you don’t know shit. Marx believed in a classless society. There would be no “rungs”. Also what he believed in is socialism, because communism is a form of socialism. This is what happens when you believe what the right wing tells you about Karl Marx without actually asking any leftists or reading it for yourself.
A lot of the things Tankies believe like the concept of a Vanguard party happened after Marx. Marx would have never approved of the USSR, or at least how it ended and all the things that happened under Stalin.
Yeah but he didn’t. Because money still exists and been poor meant you got less money. So no matter what he said you would still have less. You’d need UBI to really go classless
The man literally wanted to abolish money in the long term. He also wanted to get rid of the profit motive. This is one of the dumbest things I have ever read talking about Marx.
Edit: also thinking UBI will lead to a classless society. What an absolute joke. Not saying UBI is bad or anything, but that’s just not what it does. There went me thinking that I was clueless about politics, this is next level misinformed.
Fair enough. I know a lot of his views were rooted in traditions and biases he grew up around. My point was more just that tankies and places like modern Russia and China aren’t really communist.
My girlfriend is Chinese and she has shared so many examples of classism and wealth inequality there, many of which are enforced by the state and its laws. China is in many ways no more egalitarian than the US.
Given the degree of government interference in the market there, I would say China is less egalitarian than the USA.
Karl Marx wouldn’t approve of China though. Nothing about a classful society would be supported by Marx.
Yeah that’s what I’m saying.
My bad, sorry.