• Buelldozer@lemmy.today
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    7 months ago

    Capitalism requires expansion

    It actually doesn’t, Capitalism works just fine in a closed system with finite resources. In fact it may be the best system in those circumstances. What doesn’t work is whatever in the fuck you just described is called. It’s absolutely happening and it absolutely doesn’t work.

    As an economic system I’ve long maintained that Communism is a fantastic idea but the “Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism” that many people envision simply won’t be possible until we actually reach the state of post scarcity, until then we’re left assigning limited resources in our closed system.

    In the meantime our Governments need to get the Capitalists of the type you described, let’s call them Greedsters, back in line and I’m actually not against them using “Capital” (lol) punishment to make that happen.

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        As long as there is a system where anything is power corruption will take hold. Want food and only that group over there has any? Well, now they’ve got the power. Do you make clothes and that guy over there wants some? You have the power. Resource scarcity leads to power, power leads to abuse, abuse leads to corruption.

        The only way the cycle is broken is for nearly everything to be accessible to nearly everyone nearly all the time. That, in a nutshell, is “Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism” and the only way it can be achieved is by reaching a true post scarcity society.

        Huh, i just realized where I’m commenting. Hi Socialists!

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        Corruption doesn’t come from money, it comes from biological life’s need to survive and reproduce. Corruption will take hold, not in systems where money is power, but in any system comprised of human beings.

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            7 months ago

            I don’t understand what you’re asking.

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                People will prioritise their own benefit at the expense of others’. They will enrich themselves.

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                  No, people prioritize thier own benefit. People work to improve their material conditions, doing so at the expense of others is unnatural, because humans are a social, cooperative species.

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                    doing so at the expense of others is unnatural, because humans are a social, cooperative species

                    Your assertion that exploiting others is unnatural is patently absurd. To repeat myself from elsewhere:

                    Co-operation doesn’t conflict with greed. Humans can and must co-operate within society to survive but humans are also motivated to do everything they can to screw over others to ensure their genes have the greatest chance of propagating, as long as screwing over others doesn’t threaten survival.