Shouldn’t have said anything, now I’m getting paragraphs upon paragraphs about Putler and how the West has a moral obligation to prolong the war in Ukraine for as long as possible 
Also while apparently it can’t be denied that the far right has grown somewhat stronger in Ukraine, the Ukrainian military had to rely on militias such as Azov so they wouldn’t lose, we should not worry because they haven’t seen that much electoral success
It’s a common baby leftist failing. Think about how many supported the libyan colour revolt uncritically, or the white hats and us aligned militias in Syria. Manufactured consent is powerful.
Of course in both cases there there were active independent socialist militias, and it’s hard not to have had an idealist desire to see the DCNS win. But we should have had better material analysis.
In Ukraine it’s chuds vs open fascists with an increasingly strained liberal comedian facade and the poor bastards of the Donbass republics in the middle.
I sympathise with your friend, I dearly want to see Putin get the wall but this is clearly a US destabilisation and more critically the concept of a Banderan Fascist state on the border of the EU should terrify Liberals as well far more than any Russian hegemony over its historic sphere.
inb4 he reluctantly admits azov is just out-and-out fash, but then immediately shifts goalpost to “ok but there’s a big fash problem in the russian army too, you know” (aka the ‘my dad’)
I understand not supporting Ukraine due to it for example banning leftist opposition parties, removing rights for minority languages, fascists in the military etc. But I also see a lot of people actively cheering on and supporting Russia which I dont understand. Is a reactionary dictatorship really preferred to neoliberalism?
I also understand its horrible that the west is using the Ukrainian people as a meat grinder to occupy and weaken Russia, but would a Russian invasion and russification be much better?
I feel like we need to be better than just contrarian, though I cant honestly decide which is best or least worse.
Is a reactionary dictatorship really preferred to neoliberalism
Ukraine is a fascist neo nazi dictatorship, russia is preferred.
We’re communists here, heres how marx viewed inter bourgeoisie conflicts
‘In that house one never hesitated to take a stand against the conflicts in which one could recognize “the different fractions of the bourgeoisie.” Neutrality was abhorred. […] Marx hunted neutral souls to the gates of hell’
(machine translated) from “Gespräche mit Marx und Engels”, section writte by Charles Longuet, Marx’s son in law
Most people here consider russia to be the lesser of two evils, since it generally does not fill itself with nazi iconography, does not ally with the united states, and does not persecute national minorities to any extent like ukraine does
Denying the existence Ukrainian language or culture sounds like persecution to me. Like I absolutely agree Ukraine is an awful country, but Im not convinced Russia is better.
As far as I understand the Nazis are in the military of Ukraine, not the actual government. Though banning Hungarian and Russian in schools iirc is something a nazi could do… Do you have any sources I could read up on?
Where do they fall on this chart?
Upper-left quadrant
There are worse things to be, that’s for sure
