What’s the deal with Minnesota and Wisconsin? I tend to group them together or associate them with each other but one clearly does things differently. Why the contrast?
From my limited experience, Minnesota is tremendously more progressive than their neighbors who make a really big deal about (poor quality) cheese. I met some younger folks in the Twin Cities who had escaped an otherwise bleak trajectory after growing up in Wisconsin.
If you haven’t been, Minneapolis and St. Paul are beautiful cities filled with some lovely people. (They also had some terrorist cells some years back. People need something to do in the cold months, I suppose.) But there’s culture and history and decent food and people are really kind and welcoming. And although the winters are cold, getting around in the skyway is a neat idea, despite making the downtown feel like a big indoor mall.
I haven’t been to Wisconsin but I know people who have. It sounds like they’re trying in some places (Milwaukee) but sometimes trying just isn’t enough.
Madisonian here. Wisconsin is a purple state with a major gerrymandering issue. There are deep blue cities of Milwaukee and Madison, and also some smaller cities like La Crosse and Green Bay. Travel just slightly outside those cities, and shit gets MAGA fast. The result is a purple state where it’s easy to section off blue and red voting districts.
The Democratic governor has stopped the worst crap coming out of the state legislature, but doesn’t have much influence to enact his own agenda.
The state supreme court recently got a liberal majority and promptly shot down the gerrymander maps. The new maps don’t guarantee a progressive majority (and in a real democracy, they wouldn’t in a purple state), but what should happen is making districts competitive. Legislature candidates will actually need to listen to voters, not just assume they’ve won as long as they pass the party primary.
Minnesota has the advantage that it has a blue metropolitan area of around 3M people, which is over half the state. Hard to gerrymander that for team MAGA. Madison + Milwaukee metro is around 2M, or around 40% of the state.
Lastly, Minnesota public radio absolutely owns. That may or may not have anything to do with anything else, but I’m super jealous whenever I stream The Current.
Edit: forgot this part. Fuck you, our cheese is internationally award winning.
I lived in a suburb of St Paul for a year over 30 years ago. It was progressive, but it was the most inbred place I’ve ever been. If your family hadn’t been there for five or six generations you were an outsider.
You know, genuinely I have no idea. Especially because due south my GOD is Iowa completely NOT progressive in any way, shape, or form. If you ever drive through Iowa and start flicking through the radio stations it’s terrifying. One radio station saying that “so and so democrat is the antichrist” is one too many but there were several.
Because my first thought would be urbanization, but really Wisconsin and Minnesota population distribution is not that different. It’s also not bleed over from Canada because we’re both about as connected as the other. Large forests and lakes between us. Prince was genuinely propping up the local music scene a TON before he died but… I don’t think a single industry could be responsible for it. (it’s a difference though) Then we even elected Jessie Ventura Governor, which… maybe scared other politicians to get in line? I genuinely don’t know. I grew up in an incredibly conservative town in Minnesota but at the same time I had enough info to go “some of this sounds like utter bullshit”. I remember listening to Joe Soucheray as a kid (even showed up on his radio broadcast at the fair once) it’s not like conservatives aren’t there, but not in the numbers.
It feels like a Springfield/Shelbyville rivalry: both areas were colonized by the same sorts of people, but Wisconsinites wanted to marry their cousins.
Oh hey! Go Minnesota!
What’s the deal with Minnesota and Wisconsin? I tend to group them together or associate them with each other but one clearly does things differently. Why the contrast?
From my limited experience, Minnesota is tremendously more progressive than their neighbors who make a really big deal about (poor quality) cheese. I met some younger folks in the Twin Cities who had escaped an otherwise bleak trajectory after growing up in Wisconsin.
If you haven’t been, Minneapolis and St. Paul are beautiful cities filled with some lovely people. (They also had some terrorist cells some years back. People need something to do in the cold months, I suppose.) But there’s culture and history and decent food and people are really kind and welcoming. And although the winters are cold, getting around in the skyway is a neat idea, despite making the downtown feel like a big indoor mall.
I haven’t been to Wisconsin but I know people who have. It sounds like they’re trying in some places (Milwaukee) but sometimes trying just isn’t enough.
Madisonian here. Wisconsin is a purple state with a major gerrymandering issue. There are deep blue cities of Milwaukee and Madison, and also some smaller cities like La Crosse and Green Bay. Travel just slightly outside those cities, and shit gets MAGA fast. The result is a purple state where it’s easy to section off blue and red voting districts.
The Democratic governor has stopped the worst crap coming out of the state legislature, but doesn’t have much influence to enact his own agenda.
The state supreme court recently got a liberal majority and promptly shot down the gerrymander maps. The new maps don’t guarantee a progressive majority (and in a real democracy, they wouldn’t in a purple state), but what should happen is making districts competitive. Legislature candidates will actually need to listen to voters, not just assume they’ve won as long as they pass the party primary.
Minnesota has the advantage that it has a blue metropolitan area of around 3M people, which is over half the state. Hard to gerrymander that for team MAGA. Madison + Milwaukee metro is around 2M, or around 40% of the state.
Lastly, Minnesota public radio absolutely owns. That may or may not have anything to do with anything else, but I’m super jealous whenever I stream The Current.
Edit: forgot this part. Fuck you, our cheese is internationally award winning.
Haven’t heard of The Current, I’ll check it out.
It’s basically for people who love music from the last 70 years. Anything from Elvis to The Beatles to Prince to Alice in Chains.
I lived in a suburb of St Paul for a year over 30 years ago. It was progressive, but it was the most inbred place I’ve ever been. If your family hadn’t been there for five or six generations you were an outsider.
All I know about the area is this video.
It doesn’t look like it would attract a lot of outsiders.
What about terrorist cells?
I should have looked into it before posting as I misremembered the breadth of the issue, but when I first started going out there for work this was a recent happening: https://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/13/somalia.americans.killed/index.html
So it wasn’t terrorist cells as such, but some guys recruiting Somali-Americans to go to Somalia and fight for some other guys.
There actually was a study done about the divergence
This is great, thank you.
Wow, it’s almost like what science has been saying about social policies this whole time is actually true
You know, genuinely I have no idea. Especially because due south my GOD is Iowa completely NOT progressive in any way, shape, or form. If you ever drive through Iowa and start flicking through the radio stations it’s terrifying. One radio station saying that “so and so democrat is the antichrist” is one too many but there were several.
Because my first thought would be urbanization, but really Wisconsin and Minnesota population distribution is not that different. It’s also not bleed over from Canada because we’re both about as connected as the other. Large forests and lakes between us. Prince was genuinely propping up the local music scene a TON before he died but… I don’t think a single industry could be responsible for it. (it’s a difference though) Then we even elected Jessie Ventura Governor, which… maybe scared other politicians to get in line? I genuinely don’t know. I grew up in an incredibly conservative town in Minnesota but at the same time I had enough info to go “some of this sounds like utter bullshit”. I remember listening to Joe Soucheray as a kid (even showed up on his radio broadcast at the fair once) it’s not like conservatives aren’t there, but not in the numbers.
It feels like a Springfield/Shelbyville rivalry: both areas were colonized by the same sorts of people, but Wisconsinites wanted to marry their cousins.
As someone living elsewhere in the Midwest I have to say…
(Actually that’s a lie, Minnesotans are always super nice to us, but damn do they have their shit together in ways I wish Michigan did…)
Choo choo motherfuckers!