ACAB, especially that bastard relative of yours.

The capitalist state and it’s forces in the form of Police and Military primarily exist to protect the private property of the rich. All other functions are secondary.

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    11 months ago

    The way I understand ACAB is not to remove all cops, but reform the system fundamentally. It’s a flawed system encouraging bad behavior and silence.

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        The “easiest” (in terms of selling it to the public) solution would be to heavily increase training requirements. Two years should be the absolute minimum, with the heaviest focus being on de-escelation and how to actually help the community.

        Going back to requiring police to actually live in the communities they police would go a long way as well

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          As a german: Yes this will reduce the symptoms, but it doesn’t remove the causes.

          Of cause more training with higher standards will help, but the esprit de corps, the insufficent character tests, and the structurals problems will persist. Especially when some of the problematic elements are teached in the training.

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            11 months ago

            Injury should include financially too. Let’s stop the civil asset forfeiture bullshit where your assets are guilty until proven innocent, but they never try you with a crime.

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              One of the very few things my state does right is not allow police funding to come from civil asset forfeiture and require a guilty verdict

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            My local PD has a 6 month academy. Make it 2 years minimum nationwide, and at least another yesr to move up both to sheriff’s departments and state departments.

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                I should have been more specific, that’s my bad. The academy alone needs to be 2 years minimum. The fact that the average first year pre-law student seems to know the laws surrounding policing better than most cops is an absolute joke.

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        I’m with you on this. When the cops show up everyone should be at least slightly relieved. Your immediate thought should be,“Oh thank goodness somebody is here who knows what to do and is gonna make sure we’re all safe.” Tbh I think they need to be reformed and subsequently regulated the way doctors and nurses are. In fact, I suspect lawyers may actually be regulated similarly and could perhaps form an even better basis for licensure and regulation than I’m explaining here, but police do share a responsibility for people’s immediate physical safety in a similar way to doctors and nurses.

        We have codes of ethics as to how we’re supposed to prioritize the end goals of the situations we’re expected to resolve. For cops it could be something like (in order):

        1. All humans exit the situation with as little physical and psychological harm as possible, and with all legal rights preserved. (Animals too, but obviously humans would take priority).

        2. All evidence and documentation of the situation is collected and preserved as faithfully as possible in the event of judicial proceedings.

        3. Preserve property and ensure it stays with or can be returned in a timely manner to the rightful owner. (Right now it’s 3-1-2 and often they don’t care who the rightful owner is.)

        We have rigorous schooling (and accreditation processes for those schools to try to keep them up to standard) that teach all of the above plus the details they need to know how to uphold those standards. In particular I would like them to know:

        1. Legal aspects of enforcing the law including the basics of what is and is not illegal for both them and others to do.

        2. To what extent they need to intervene with each violation and at what points people begin losing rights (when you’re hitting someone you can be physically held and detained to prevent you from continuing to hit people).

        3. How to preserve evidence (then terrify them with the legal ramifications for not doing so properly).

        4. Basic body mechanics as they pertain to physical and mechanical restraint and seclusion (I’m a psych nurse and have been restraint trained for 7 years now. It’s been drilled into me all through that time to never ever in forever restrain someone face down. I looked into it and even cops are supposed to only have someone facedown long enough to get them cuffed, then immediately turn them on their side. Facedown restraint is one of the easiest ways to even accidentally kill someone, and if that’s been properly taught to you toy can barely call the act accidental anymore.).

        5. basic psychology including a broad overview of both developmental and abnormal psych, including psychosis, mania, anxiety disorders (including PTSD) autism, intellectual disability, and personality disorders. Particularly things like the paranoia that’s characteristic of psychosis, and that yelling at ppl with autism is not likely to produce any favorable result.

        6. Smaller localities could accept lower levels of education or licensure to accommodate the difficulty of obtaining staff for more remote or less funded departments provided they still have the recommended number of staff with higher licenses supervising and intervening as needed (ex: Many heathcare entities utilize CNAs and LPNs to assist RNs provided what they are doing is within their reduced scope and monitored appropriately. An example could be allowing the lower level license to be the second officer provided the other officer they are accompanying does have whatever is decided on as the necessary licensure, or that that person is on duty in a more central location to be called out as needed).

        **Regulatory oversight boards that:

        1. Accredit the educational programs

        2. Administer licensure exams

        3. Issue licenses

        4. Review complaints against people’s licenses

        5. Revoke or restrict licenses as needed

        6. Pursue people legally for fraudulently claiming to have a license or a higher or less restricted license than they do

        Personally paid malpractice that:

        1. Pays for an attorney to defend this person’s if they are facing board or other legal action

        2. Becomes progressively more prohibitively costly for the individual if they are found to be abusive or negligent

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        Any reasonable “small government” conservative should. The sad thing is there aren’t many of those left with any power now. There are mostly only big government regressives who grabbed the conservative flag and ran with it.

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      11 months ago

      If the goal isn’t to remove “all cops”, isn’t it pretty counterproductive that the first two words in ACAB are “all cops”?