An Israeli missile has hit Iran, two US officials have told the BBC’s US partner CBS News.

Iranian state media is reporting that flights have been suspended over several cities, according to Associated Press.

Iran has been on high alert after Israel said it would respond to an Iranian attack against it on Saturday night

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    not a race. fuck that racist bullshit.

    if they already left; vet their shit, make sure they’re not still affiliated, and sure. dont hold the shit hole they were born in against them. but starting now, when they’re just afraid? nah. main lesson from world war 2 was we didn’t kill enough Nazis.

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      However you want to group or define Isreali citizens you are making a too broad generalization.

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        I don’t really care? they have been unwilling to stop for longer than I have been alive. they’ve been offered the moon,and turned it down, because they prefer genocide. they haven’t stopped. they haven’t had substantial internal strife or attempted revolutions or internal assassinations of particularly warmongery leaders.

        their soldiers literally sing while they do atrocities, their prime minister says it, their citizens say it, their children say it.

        Not a single joule of energy should be wasted attempting to preserve “Israeli” life. not ever. to do otherwise would be an insult to their victims. stopping this genocide and world war three must come first.

        I dunno, maybe you think 1 genocidal pedophile life is worth global thermonuclear war. I guess agree to disagree?

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            Call it the the genocidal problem. The issues isn’t with Jews in general, just people who are carrying out and supporting the genocide. I would lump Biden in with them as well.

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            not a Jewish problem. a Nazi problem. nothing makes Hezbollah look good quite like hebarrah does.

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            you saying theres a way to stop world war 3 without glassing that shit hole?

            and stop saying Israelis are Jews. they’re not. they once rationalized an internal purge by saying ‘if you kill other Jews for political reasons, youre out’ to kill other Jews for political reasons, then did the whole white supremacist sterilizing of Ethiopian Jews. they are not. they do not count. and even if they did, Jewish communities ive spoken to feel, at best, mildly embarrassed by them.

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      The Germans during WWII actually were referring to nationality when talking about race, so that one slides believe it or not.

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        its so much dumber than that. it kind of comes down to mystical bullshit and oh hey, that’s in this one too

        but theres this kapo trash tendency to draw equivalency with all Jewish people in the world and smear their crimes onto the innocent

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      Jews are an ethnic group, culture, and religion, but not a race. It’s a common enough misconception spread via the media. Also any given Jew is not necessarily all three.

      The lesson from World War II is that war can only delay the spread of an idea, but not destroy it. Ideas have to be fought with other ideas. Killing Nazis only bought us time to think of better ideas, spread them, and deradicalize people. Thanks to conservative propaganda networks and social media, we’re on the verge of a fascist takeover. We are in an information race against fascists. The fascists are turning the US into a christofascist dictatorship, by controlling the narrative and driving the news cycle, not by killing anyone. We have to beat them in this race to stop them.

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          I’d be willing to bet you could find one or two Israelies (Israelites?) that hate Israel too.

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          Israeli is not the same thing as Jewish.

          Yes, I am Jewish, but not Israeli. I assumed most people referring to Israelis as a race are referring to Jews a race. It seems weird to confuse nationality with race in the 21st century.

          Many Jewish people hate Israel.

          I don’t hate Israel, because hating Israel is more taxing to me than it is to Israel. I think Israel is an apartheid state that’s committing genocide and war crimes in Gaza, Zionism is a fascist ideology, the current Israeli government is dominated by fascists, and that the concept that we need a Jewish ethnostate in order to be safe is ridiculous. Israel needs to change radically and it needs to change as soon as possible.

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        I thought one of the best lessons was that you don’t deal with an aggressive and genocidal nation through appeasement.

        We should be fighting against Israel, not appeasing them.

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          I thought one of the best lessons was that you don’t deal with an aggressive and genocidal nation through appeasement.

          That was also one of the lessons. It’s why we are sending weapons to Ukraine to fight Russia and plan on defending Taiwan against China.

          We should be fighting against Israel, not appeasing them.

          It would be a lot easier to do that if we hadn’t be allied with Israel for over 75 years. It’s not normal for allies to turn on each other like that.

          Regardless, there can be more than one lesson from a historical event. Fascism is an idea. It has to be fought with other ideas.

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          that was the lesson from the start. that theres one way to stop fascism and genocide both.

          the lesson from the end was: you didn’t kill enough fucking Nazis.

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        who the fuck mentioned Jews here?

        I’m talking about Israelis, cut your equivocating antisemitic bullshit. talk like that gets people killed by idiots who can’t tell the difference, but know genocide is bad and Nazis dying is good.

        we didn’t stop Nazism because we didn’t kill enough Nazis, on either side of the ocean. the fuckers who got social media in on it can be traced back to that. if we’d killed more Nazis then, we wouldn’t have these problems now.

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          who the fuck mentioned Jews here? I’m talking about Israelis, cut your equivocating antisemitic bullshit.

          If someone refers to Israelis as a race I would assume they are confusing Jews, an ethnic group, culture and religion as a race as opposed to confusing Israelis, a nationality, as a race.

          we didn’t stop Nazism because we didn’t kill enough Nazis, on either side of the ocean. the fuckers who got social media in on it can be traced back to that. if we’d killed more Nazis then, we wouldn’t have these problems now.

          Even if we had killed everyone who was a Nazi, the ideas could be still be spread by people who are not Nazis and then internalized and adopted by a new group of Nazis. Ideas outlive the people came up with them and believed in them. The best that would do is kick the can further down the road, but we still have to deal with this problem eventually.

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            don’t think I referred to tfem as a race but I could have. I’m not super likely to bother scrolling up for a hezbarite though.

            the ideas could have been spread by people who weren’t Nazis, but were I’m this actual extant timeline spread by actual Nazis.

            american civil war was the same. every one of those slaver families needed to die. every adult, and possibly the children, if they weren’t adopted out (possibly to the people who should have got the property and would have done the raising if the slavers had won anyway). yes that’s technically genocide, but I’m saying it should have happened to some of my shitty ancestors, and I still think I’m right. that culture of keeping human beings imprisoned as chattel slaves needed to die, and because we left them alive; it didn’t.

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              don’t think I referred to tfem as a race but I could have. I’m not super likely to bother scrolling up for a hezbarite though.

              I was referring to the poster above you.

              the ideas could have been spread by people who weren’t Nazis, but were I’m this actual extant timeline spread by actual Nazis.

              My point is that killing all Nazis wouldn’t have prevented Fascism from spreading.

              american civil war was the same. every one of those slaver families needed to die. every adult, and possibly the children, if they weren’t adopted out

              Killing all slave owners wouldn’t have stopped the Lost Cause of the Confederacy myth which is responsible for the confederate sympathizers we have today. The myth is an idea and can be spread by people who don’t own slaves.

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                was referring to somebody else

                so why are you arguing with me?

                killing all the Nazis wouldn’t have stopped fascism

                hard disagree. it would have stopped. maybe somebody would have dug it up later and started it back up, but it would have stopped.

                killing the slavers wouldn’t have

                I met them. their grandchildren and great children, at family reunions. they worked hard to craft and propagate these myths. they were proud of it. expected their grandchildren to keep it up.

                now, me noping out isn’t so much fix as those first couple generations did damage, abd that’s why I think they should have been killed. every single one.

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                  so why are you arguing with me?

                  I was agreeing with you. I added my two cents.

                  hard disagree. it would have stopped. maybe somebody would have dug it up later and started it back up, but it would have stopped.

                  People who weren’t Nazis knew what fascism was. Fascists wrote books and gave speeches. Fascism would still exist in peoples’ minds as a concrete idea that can be communicated to other people even if no Nazis survived the war.

                  I met them. their grandchildren and great children, at family reunions. they worked hard to craft and propagate these myths. they were proud of it. expected their grandchildren to keep it up.

                  People who didn’t own slaves spread the myth as well. Killing entire families of slave owners would not have stopped this.

                  The fascists and confederate sympathizers of today aren’t necessarily direct biological descendants of those in the past. They are ideological descendants.

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                    it might have been restarted later, but it would have stopped first

                    read and respond to this. read and fucking respond to this please.

                    people who didn’t own slaves

                    propagated it, but somebody had to do the initial push, and in telling you, from my own family, they’re proud of the major push and consensus manufacturing they accomplished, even well into the 20th century. this is not hypothetical, this is literally what I have seen and heard them admit to me and noticed them try to push me to continue the tradition. this is what happened, and open historical documents noting membership in the early kkk and dotc support it.

                    this happened. it was real. it likely still is real. atop denying history to spare fucking Nazis.

                    and its not just here. the old Italian fascists were mentors of the current Italian fascist leaders, including Mussolini’s family. the places the rat lines lead to tended to have fascist coups during the 20th century. modi’s explicitly fascist RSS (currently doing a genocide) was founded as a stay-behind by Nazi agents in the 30s.

                    kill. more. fucking. Nazis. all of them. kill all the Nazis. every single fucking one, or it will happen again. and again. and again.