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Are there comparable alternatives? I never found another launcher that I like as much.
I switched to Lawnchair 2. It’s free, open source and quite versatile. Probably not as much as Nova, though it’s been a few years since I last used it.
It is significantly less than Nova. People keep suggesting it but it’s not a true replacement for those that were actually using Nova to its full potential. They’re frankly isn’t a replacement right now that goes all out on providing users customization options. That’s not in vogue anymore, apparently.
Lawnchair 2 isn’t available for my phone since the app is too old, and I’m only on Android 12.
Edit: this only applies to the Play Store version
That’s odd, I’m on Android 14 and it works just fine here.
Very strange. I get a big notification and everything.
I see, I installed it through Aurora on my device. But you can just download the apk from their Github or https://lawnchair.app/ instead. Only Google PlayStore seems to have disabled the download even though the app still works perfectly fine.
That would explain it. Thanks!
Lawnchair 2 is no longer under development. The development team always starts to develop a new launcher based on the latest stock launcher every time a new Android version is released (so basically every year). This way the app usually never gets past the alpha or beta builds till they already move on to start from scratch. I don’t understand their strategy.
Free - Lawnchair | Kvaesisto
Paid - Niagara LauncherShoutout for Niagara. High quality reliable launcher. Only switched away after 2+ years cuz I got a little bored of the interface
I got bored but then I noticed almost immediately how I spend so much extra time just navigating my phone on other launchers. So I switched back and then they released a wallpaper that has a fun cat in it and now he’s my home screen homey and I’m good
Show us the wallpaper!!!
I’m also waiting for lemonparty to show us their wallpaper.
Geez
Is it the one called “waiting”?
I came back to this several days later and was not disappointed 😍
I tried to upload a screenshot but it keeps throwing an error. Here’s a link to it from their web Site.
Funny enough i actually switched from niagara to kvaesisto
Well now I have to go look into this kvaesisto!
Edit: how do you find the interface? I looked at the photos and it looks very interesting, kind of has some Sesame type system wide search functionality?
For those interested: https://kvaesitso.mm20.de/
I used Niagara free for quite a while. It does have a fair few features locked behind the paywall, but it’s certainly usable.
Niagara’s free version is still pretty great too. I usually pay for apps but don’t want a subscription for my launcher, so I use it in free mode. Despite the limitations it’s methodology of getting you to the app you’re looking for as quickly as possible is a game changer. I don’t know if I’ll be able to go back to icons and folders + app drawer launchers haha
For me Hyperion ended up giving me the closest out of the box experience to what I wanted.
+1 for Hyperion, nice customization features.
Neo Launcher is really close, and FOSS.
Edit: Closer than Lawnchair IMO
Maybe also check out Total Launcher.
This seems awesome, testing it out.
Seconding Total, that’s where I ended up after leaving Nova and trying a few. Very, very customisable, but a bit of a learning curve.
Agreed re how customisable it is. Can also back up to a file for easy transfer to your next phone etc.
Here’s a link to my current setup with Total. (My actual home home screen is the sixth image, I can’t seem to alter image order on Pixeldroid…)
Kvaesisto has treated me wonderfully
This will be down voted, but I also tried a bunch of launchers and never found one I liked better than Nova. I ended up installing TrackerControl and Nova has its internet connection fully disabled. It doesn’t need Internet for any features I use, so I felt like this was a good compromise, personally. I ended up starting to block trackers in all my apps now because of it, so I see it as a net win.
You can download the APK of Nova 7, which was the last version before the buyout. It’s perfectly clean.
Just don’t update it.
Plan to just keep using it myself until it’s no longer viable, at which point I’ll look for a launcher that hopefully reached feature parity.
neo launcher is the closest FOSS alternative
i’m just using the stock launcher
since niagara can be buggy
Maybe not a popular reply, but if you’re already in Windows ecosystem, the Microsoft launcher is pretty impressive features-wise.
TotalLauncher
I haven’t found anything yet, Nova has always been the best. I’ve been using Nova since the early years like version 2 or something like that. When I heard they were going to be bought and uninstall went to vanilla Google launcher, and searched high and low for another launcher. I tried dozens over a few months and literally nothing was close to Nova. So here I am, typing this to you in an app that was launched through Nova…
Please, please, please someone make a good launcher.
I’ll probably try lawnchair again, but it isn’t nearly as good.
Nope. And since so far they’re doing nothing, Nova it is for the time being. There just isn’t anything remotely as customisable.
Anyone here not using an open source launcher after this announcement is seriously learning nothing from this. You are just trusting the next company that either already or eventually will go the same way. Like the dude mentioning Microsoft launcher as alternative, that one has branch analytics baked in as well as far as I remember.
Be aware that using open source doesn’t protect you completely from this, look at what happened to Simple Mobile tools, best install your open source applications from f-droid.
Do you have any good open source alternatives for Nova Launcher?
Of course, but when something like that happens to a popular app there will be an outcry. If you are not a tech person you might miss that, but I’d argue if you care about what launcher your phone has and you care about this issue to go foss you are probably the type of person who’d hear about it.
I use KISS launcher but there are many other options mentioned here that are also good. Yes, nothing is exactly like Nova. But lots of other stuff is good too.
Yes, nothing is exactly like Nova. But lots of other stuff is good too.
Then they aren’t good alternatives, they’re passable.
Seems crazy to me that the software that’s owned by an analytics company is also the one focused on giving the user the most customization options. None of the FOSS alternatives have the same mentality as Nova. They’re all focused more on minimalism, or evoking Pixel, or pushing a specific niche type of interface of their own design. None of them provide anywhere near as many tools to the user.
If I have to use a closed source app provided by an analytics company just to get a launcher that actually empowers the user, so be it. Maybe more of the FOSS alternatives could start taking note of why Nova is the most popular.
What happened to simple tools? And I downloaded them from F-Droid
They got sold (sorry for reddit link) https://www.reddit.com/r/SimpleMobileTools/comments/187w64x/simple_mobile_tools_bought_by_zipoapps/
Use the fossify forks now (also on f-droid)
I backed up the APK of the last “clean” version before the sale. I’m going to keep using it until some OS update breaks it.
You don’t have to do it! :)
One of the original maintainers of Simple Mobile Tools forked the project and he’s adding new features and fixing bugs.
The project is called Fossify and you can already download the apps from both Play store and F-Droid
I think they’re talking about Nova.
Ooops, sorry, my bad!
@Scrollone @slimarev92 The “Launcher” repository/project/portion/etc has no releases and no packages on its page, so how do i actually download it and try it?
i don’t see any kind of .apk or instructions on where one is.
Same. I am surprised I’ve been able to use it for so long without any issues.
Please dont tell me I have to leave Niagara. :(
Depends how important some features are for you, e.g. read here https://help.niagaralauncher.app/article/20-sesame-integration
Right now its probably OK, but Nova was also OK for a while. If a FOSS launcher does this and is popular, it will be forked. Niagara won’t be forked.
Lawn chair is the main FOSS alternative.
Be aware that there is a play store version that is not updated (version 2) and a beta that is actively maintained (version14.2 now)
They are quite different.
Where is the beta and why isn’t it the main version?
The man dev quit the project and others are picking up the pieces. They might not have access to the Play Store account, or maybe they do. Either way, the new team has not produced a new final version yet. Just a string of alphas and betas. As of now the beta is the main version. It’s good enough for daily use.
This literally doesn’t answer the question at all. It’s just a snarky remark from someone who seems to think everyone else should be as privy to how all this works as they are.
The beta was the first release in a few years.
The released the nightly build a few hour ago: https://github.com/LawnchairLauncher/lawnchair/releases/tag/nightly
I guess we can expect the final version in the coming days/weeks
Why is anything in the world the way it is?
Who knows where thoughts come from? They just appear… Yeah.
Could you please link to the right place, then?
I looked at Droidify and only found an old unmaintained version.
You need to work on how you ask for things… This isn’t my product and I don’t work for you.
I don’t know if this is news to you, but the “then” on the end of your statement has some sharp edges on it and represents you as entitled (making you aware if that wasn’t your intention)
A little more grace goes a long way when you’re asking strangers for help on the internet, friend.
Fwiw, I agree with you, but written text does need some benefit of the doubt regarding inflection and intention, sometimes.
Thanks for the tip man 👍
Looking forward the end of the beta!
Lawnchair is a fork of the original pixel launcher that gives some quality of life upgrades to an already good piece of software, like being able to remove the search bar, resizable / reshapable icons and fonts usw. Its also open source, so feel free to check out the github.
There is no app store release right now but they are working on it. I’ve used the alpha versions for two years now and it has worked fine so far.
I just made the switch after seeing this article.
Is there a way to get an icon to open the app drawer? Or am i forced to live with a gesture?
The choice gesture vs. nav button is usually part of android itself. In my case (pixel with therefor nearly stock android) its in settings -> system -> navigation mode (or something similar since its in german in my case). If you can’t find it, search for “navigation button your phone model”.
Edit: sorry, i just realized you meant the app drawer, not the overview of currently opened apps. I don’t know the answer to that.
Edit edit: ok i found something in lawnchairs settings. The last setting is called gestures. If you have navigation buttons enabled instead of nav gestures (see above) you could bind the home button to open the app drawer.
The last setting is called gestures. If you have navigation buttons enabled instead of nav gestures (see above) you could bind the home button to open the app drawer.
That would mean unbinding it from another feature. It feels kind of ridiculous that I have to devote my home button to something that should just be tappable on screen if three button navigation is being used.
By default the home button tap is bound to “do nothing”, so you’re not really losing anything
Yeah I tried it too and that’s a major no go right there. The fact it’s based off pixel launcher is killing my interest out of the gate, but I at least hoped that it would provide the same degree of customization options and tools as Nova. Doesn’t look like it, and no ability to call the app drawer without swiping.
Frankly any app that pushes gestures as the default navigation method without respecting people that just want to use buttons and taps, I can’t say I’m interested.
Guess I’m sticking with Nova 7 until it just stops working.
I’ve used the alpha versions for two years now and it has worked fine so far.
They released a beta about a month ago.
https://lemmy.world/post/13864258
Edit: which your download link has. Just wanted to make sure you and others don’t use a 2 year old alpha instead.
But they promised that they won’t use the data for it 😜
They paid millions for it just for charity
I could believe them if they were a nonprofit. 😂
Having participated in many “charities”, you’d be a fool to believe an operation just because it is registered as a “not for profit”.
Look at the executive-pay, and if it is over 2x the cost-of-living, you’re looking at a money-funneling-to-executives scam, that is masquerading as a not-for-profit.
The amount of spine required to have real integrity, in this planet, is apparently greater than the amount of spine available in a human life?
Switched to Niagara Launcher a few years back… it’s awesome… clean, fast and actually different (most other launchers are just icon packs)
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I’m a little worried about Niagara, since they have a sponsored result for every time I’ve searched for another launcher. Is it a paid launcher? Usually the heavily advertised stuff I see on the play store has all kinds of issues.
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I used Niagara back in the Cyanogen days. I guess it’s time to give it another shot. Thanks for the tip. Now, to retrain my old brain.
Retraining keeps the brain young, my friend!
Unless you’re retraining to go back to Windows from Linux, then the brain starts farthing incessantly 🤣🤣
I believe they have Google Analytics in their privacy policy. I made the compromise a while ago, it is so good I am willing to concede that.
I like Niagara but it’s insanely expensive, especially as a subscription. I don’t know how people justify it.
Edit: The above was based on me getting duped by a Play Store sponsored search result and installing some crap that charges £70 for a lifetime licence. In comparison Niagara feels like much better value, but it’s still expensive compared to most apps and I still don’t like subscribing to software in general.
It is 30 bucks for lifetime. I don’t think it is that insane. It is well worth it IMO. Also they have a fair policy in prices across the globe.
Gotta hold my hands up and admit that in my initial haste to confirm the price I fell victim to the Play Store putting sponsored results ahead of what you actually searched for and I installed some crap called minimalist launcher, which charges £70 for a lifetime license. That’s what my “insane” comment was based on.
In comparison it’s nowhere near that bad for Niagara, but it is still pricey compared to most apps, and I balk at paying a subscription for software in general so that still stands.
Might give it another go after all…
Subscription? That sucks… I bought it outright a bit back, it was pricey, maybe $15 CAD? (Can’t remember)
Sorry to hear it has gone up so much… But that does seem to be the way of the app world… Pricey, subscription (even when they cannot possibly justify it) or both!
Simple—just don’t pay for the premium tier. Free one is good enough for most.
Lol, here in India it is 100 INR (1.2 USD) yearly. Thank god for regional pricing.
I looked at the paid features and none of them look useful to me so I’m just not going to give them money.
Same here, I was a big fan of Nova until I discovered Niagara about a year ago. It’s a totally different concept from the icon based launchers. I love the minimalist approach to widgets and the self optimizing app list. Tying it in with sesame has led me that product as well and I’m finding the whole solution to be really nice
Awesome… Now I have to check sesame
Read the linked-to article:
Sesame was aquired with Nova Launcher.
They’re both part of the analytics-tentacles company, now.
Niagara launcher is worth the time it takes to change your habit. Once you understand it you just can’t conceive how people waste their time with normal home screens and organisation. It’s just so damn fast to get to where you want to be with Niagara launcher.
What the fuck are you even doing with your phone that this even matters? Are you running multiple Fortune 500 companies from it? solely?
Honestly, your comment reads so much like advertising copy that I half-suspect you’re a bot.
Honestly, don’t care. Until it gets shitty (which it still has a good chance of doing so), I’ll continue to use it.
A launcher owned by an analytics company? In my OS owned by an ad company?
It’s more likely than you think!
The way I see it, unless I’m at risk of having personally identifiable information leaked, ad companies can waste all the money they want on me. I don’t see anything they make anyway.
2 points for brutal honesty.
Me neither really. I don’t love this, but I think a lot of people misunderstand what the analytics tools are mainly used for. It’s not often that much to do with advertising, and it certainly isn’t about farming your unique information in a clandestine way. It’s about what’s happening with the app, what features are being used as an aggregate, and most importantly for tracking the crash rate of the app, and why it’s crashing.
I think this is more tied with advertising analytics, but I share the same opinion. I don’t love it, but it’s not a killer. The fediverse tends to attract a more idealistic and paranoid crowd, which I don’t think is reflective of how most people are.
Given for months now I keep randomly experiencing UI hangs requiring me to kill Nova, that day may have finally come…
Hmm, I’ve had it happen once, thought it was odd. Are you on a Samsung too, like the other comment? How often does it happen?
Nope, Pixel 6 running Android 14. It’s highly variable but I’d say it happens… every two or three days, sometimes multiple times a day. To say it’s aggravating is putting it very mildly.
Ok, that is pretty bad. As mentioned, I’ve had it happen once. I use the app search function a lot, which I’ve set to the swipe up gesture, and it just stopped working that day. Had to find a way to force reset the launcher. Having that happen every 2-3 days to multiple times a day would be a dealbreaker for me.
I thought it was from Samsung, never crossed my mind it could be nova that is hanging. Sad days.
Reaction from a lot of people seems as if Nova now has some kind of keylogger and some random dude from Nigeria will try to access your bank account.
Like I’ve said elsewhere, the fediverse tends to have a lot of paranoid zealots. It’s a bit offputting really.
Well damn. I’ve been on Nova launcher for years. Even bought prime and all that.
Damn, me too. This sucks, time to change.
You can stay on Nova 7, it’s not going to stop working. Nova 8 is what you want to avoid, so you just can’t let it update to a new version that will have all of the bullshit put in.
Obviously that’s not a permanent solution but there’s no reason to throw away Nova 7 right now if it’s works for you.
The last clean version was Nova 7.0.57
Install that APK, redownload the Nova prime app from Play store, they work together fine.
Oh man, I’m on 7.0.58…
Niagara is what I moved to from Nova. Less widget focused layout, but any app is literally 2 presses and one swipe away from the home screen.
I love Niagara. For me, it really eliminated distractions and stopped me from swiping mindlessly.
Doesn’t matter, as long as you restrict internet access for it.
Since there are no alternatives coming even close, I refuse to switch just because.
How are you restricting internet access for it?
Adguard can firewall it. Now I’ll wait for somebody to reply to me saying how horrible adguard is for privacy haha
https://github.com/M66B/NetGuard
The only caveat is that it’s setting itself up as a local VPN for the block/allow list, so you can’t use it in parallel with an actual VPN. My workaround is to have my actual VPN installed directly on the router both at home and at work, which covers 98% of my use cases.
Check out TrackerControl on the F-Droid app store. It lets you block Internet access to individual apps and selectively block trackers and other analytics. It does this by acting as a VPN in the android OS so it won’t work while on another VPN but that’s good enough for my needs.
+1 for Tracker Control, though I will say updates are pretty slow. I’ve noticed a few things making it through every now and again.
this approach may leak data, don’t blindly trust it
Ok so I just started digging for alternatives, thanks to your question.
I had previously simply deactivated network access for Nova (Settings -> Apps -> App Management -> Select Nova -> Data Usage -> Disable Mobile Data, Disable Wi-Fi, and flick the switch for Background Data for good measure.
Now, that will result in a toast on the main screen every time you unlock the phone “Data for Nova7 is disabled, you can activate it in the settings”. This might however be a OnePlus specific error, since searching for it only gives me a result in their product forum.
Nevertheless, I dug around with LogCat Reader and found that the message is displayed by com.android.systemui. Not really surprising, but I wasn’t sure which exact system resource is responsible. So then I went ahead with AppOps and set the “Display Toast” permission to “Ignore”, and voila.
Caveats:
- You need root to use AppOps
- You won’t get any toast now (I don’t actually remember seeing any useful ones in over a decade, but there might be something out there)
it was JULY 2022 and almost nothing seems to be changed
how would you know?
Fuck. Using nova kept me sane. Even though they say, nothing changes…it will. With an analytics company, if they spend that much on nova, they are either going to go behind a paywall, or start data mining the shit from every user.
Remember, if the product is free, then you’re the product
Lol fuck me why even try anymore
You can switch off Error & Usage option in advanced setting in Nova.
can’t analyze my data if I dont let you connect to the internet
mostly yes but it will depend how you block your Internet connection, with exception GrapheneOS approach all the other ways to “block” internet on Android devices may leak some data.
The chances of some data being leaked is always possible but I’ll roll the dice if it means getting to keep using a launcher that’s not god awful or pixel-based until some other launchers become more mature.
If we’re were talking financial information or something, sure, the chance of leaks is a huge problem, but some usage analytics leaking is more annoying than anything else.
With xposed you can do everything, which is not graphene exclusive.
What about CalyxOS’s firewall? What puts GrapheneOS apart?
