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    You’re conflating they the belligerents and they the civilians. You’re mixing these two groups.

    Which law are you referring to? Quite frankly even international law typically never gets applied inside of a country’s borders.

    Telling people they have to die, because of where they are born, is a terrible thing. I will stand by that regardless of how you define the labels.

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        Yes. The fire bombings on world war II were absolutely collective punishment.

        Collective punishment is a punishment or sanction imposed on a group for acts allegedly perpetrated by a member of that group, which could be an ethnic or political group, or just the family, friends and neighbors of the perpetrator.

        From the wiki you just linked. Can we agree that there are people who live in Gaza, who do not support Hamas, and who are not actively involved in the fighting? You’ve just said they have to convince Hamas to stop fighting before things can be " over "?

        You’re making uninvolved people, responsible for the actions of others. That fits the definition from Wikipedia that you just link to.

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          No, they were attacking military tagets. They are not collective punishment.

          You’re making uninvolved people, responsible for the actions of others

          They are not uninvolved. That is their government that started the fight.

          I have very little empathy for the Palestinians. When they brought the hostages back, nobody stood up for them. Nobody tried to save any of them.

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            All right let’s go through a thought experiment: You’re a 16-year-old girl, you just had a baby. The father is dead. You want to leave the fighting zone. You’re not allowed to leave. How do you affect collective action, and change the government? The government which last had an election before you were born

            The fact that you and your baby cannot overthrow Hamas, is that enough reason for you to die?

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                I think that’s a catch-22. If you organize a protest and you get into a group. You’re very likely to be bombed.

                We are saying a member of this collective, is responsible for the behavior of other members of that collective. And until they fix the collective behavior, they cannot leave the kill box. That’s unethical, that’s immoral, that’s collective punishment

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                  It’s not. Fighting a war to defend yourself isn’t collective punishment.

                  You seem to be advocating that Israel should just let Hamas launch rockets and kill their civilians. I think that’s a horrible take on things.

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                    I’m advocating that Israel should allow refugees to leave the combat area. I’m saying no children should die in strategic bombing. There isn’t a Hamas armored core resisting the Israeli Air Force. There was total military domination of both the skies and the land. This is asymmetric occupation.

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              I agree the water, food and medical care are potentially collective punishment and at least against the rules of war.

              The assault is not.

              I’m not pleased Israel hasn’t done more to provide food, water and medical care.