And facebook isnt? Facebook did experiments on teens to see if theyre easier to manipulate when theyre depressed. They took money to apread fake news to manipulate voters for the presidential election. Yall are so blinded by the china boogeyman its absurd
No. The totalitarian technofascist state of China is not the same as the US, nor are their state owned apps comparable to those of privately owned one regardless of how much of a sociopath Zuckerberg is.
Ok, so boomers are not actually people, facebook’s 3 billion active users don’t exist, and 250 million of those fake people are certainly not from the fake US.
But TikTok…
Amazing how we are talking of Chinese surveillance while the US just renewed another one of its surveillance bills.
So much “I am immune to, and can spot all propaganda” in this thread.
It’s amazing that you must work under the assumption that I’m defending facebook in order for your rambling to have any kind of structure.
No one is defending facebook or FISA or anything else shitty the US has done. I said that claiming Facebook is owned by the government or that the US is totalitarian like the CCP is false and now you guys just can’t accept that fact.
God I thought we left this dishonest tankie shit behind on Reddit. But nope, here’s the brigade of fanatics up to their old rhetorical bullshit.
If tiktok can be considered owned by the Chinese gov so can facebook https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM theres tons of programs secret and public that shows american tech companies have to obey to the US government demands.
Boomers vote more than anyone else
Facebook owns all the biggest apps, instagram whatsapp, and now threads is getting bigger than twitter. Great lets kill competition because scary china boogeyman all put all the power in the hands of mark zuckerberg, the conservatives that manipulate the platform and pay to manipulate the people on it.
If tiktok can be considered owned by the Chinese gov so can facebook https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM theres tons of programs secret and public that shows american tech companies have to obey to the US government demands.
“In 2014, ByteDance established an internal Chinese Communist Party (CCP) committee.[47] The company’s vice president, Zhang Fuping, serves as the company’s CCP Committee Secretary.[48][49]”
This is not a defense of FB or american companies, but rather an indictment of tiktok and an acknowledgement that the degree of CCP involvement in tiktok is not the same as neolib involvement in FB.
No. The government does not own Facebook. You’re free to make that baseless assertion, but there’s nothing to really say about it other than it’s false on its face and makes you appear unserious.
We’re not talking conspiracy theories, China is not a normal country, it’s literally a totalitarian state in which the government has complete control. Not like hyperbolic “Oh, the US is totalitarian.” but actually totalitarian in the legal and material sense.
PRISM and countless programs arent conspiracies they are facts. The US isnt totalitarian to their citizens but they are to the millions of people who’s countries theyve placed fascists into power to kill and imprison their citizens
So why did the PRISM project exists? If there is freedom to deny the government access why did american companies all get in bed with it? This is also not a conspiracy since Snowden will be jailed if he steps foot in american soil.
It is possible to both be anti-chinese government and also want comprehensive privacy laws in the US. Like, I absolutely buy that the Chinese government has access to tiktok data. I, however, don’t think forcing a sale is the right way to deal with any of this. Comprehensive privacy and data collection laws would go much farther towards making it so it doesn’t really matter who owns what.
You wanna talk Chinese spyware, why are they not outright banning Temu? That’s a much better documented case of actually being spyware.
In terms of Tiktok being spyware, they are tracking users in much the same ways that every other big social media company is. Should other nations be worried about Facebook sharing that data with the US govt to produce psyops campaigns against foreign nations?
I’m against any country blocking access to things in the name of “national security” and providing little to no evidence on it. Its been done too many times to trojan horse in other malicious activities that governments want to do.
TikTok isn’t just some random, normal app. It’s spyware and a tool for CCP propaganda.
May as well ask why the government would ban Russian anti-virus software.
And facebook isnt? Facebook did experiments on teens to see if theyre easier to manipulate when theyre depressed. They took money to apread fake news to manipulate voters for the presidential election. Yall are so blinded by the china boogeyman its absurd
Is Facebook owned by the government?
Does anyone even use FB anymore besides boomers?
No. The totalitarian technofascist state of China is not the same as the US, nor are their state owned apps comparable to those of privately owned one regardless of how much of a sociopath Zuckerberg is.
Ok, so boomers are not actually people, facebook’s 3 billion active users don’t exist, and 250 million of those fake people are certainly not from the fake US.
But TikTok…
Amazing how we are talking of Chinese surveillance while the US just renewed another one of its surveillance bills.
So much “I am immune to, and can spot all propaganda” in this thread.
It’s amazing that you must work under the assumption that I’m defending facebook in order for your rambling to have any kind of structure.
No one is defending facebook or FISA or anything else shitty the US has done. I said that claiming Facebook is owned by the government or that the US is totalitarian like the CCP is false and now you guys just can’t accept that fact.
God I thought we left this dishonest tankie shit behind on Reddit. But nope, here’s the brigade of fanatics up to their old rhetorical bullshit.
His point would be legit and fine if he didn’t tack on the “only I am right and you are wrong” part.
It’s true that we should be passing something like GDPR that ensures privacy in all apps, and not just TikTok.
But I’m certainly in favor of going after TikTok regardless. I hope Facebook and Google and Reddit and Apple are next on the list.
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If tiktok can be considered owned by the Chinese gov so can facebook https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM theres tons of programs secret and public that shows american tech companies have to obey to the US government demands.
Boomers vote more than anyone else
Facebook owns all the biggest apps, instagram whatsapp, and now threads is getting bigger than twitter. Great lets kill competition because scary china boogeyman all put all the power in the hands of mark zuckerberg, the conservatives that manipulate the platform and pay to manipulate the people on it.
“In 2014, ByteDance established an internal Chinese Communist Party (CCP) committee.[47] The company’s vice president, Zhang Fuping, serves as the company’s CCP Committee Secretary.[48][49]”
This is not a defense of FB or american companies, but rather an indictment of tiktok and an acknowledgement that the degree of CCP involvement in tiktok is not the same as neolib involvement in FB.
No. The government does not own Facebook. You’re free to make that baseless assertion, but there’s nothing to really say about it other than it’s false on its face and makes you appear unserious.
We’re not talking conspiracy theories, China is not a normal country, it’s literally a totalitarian state in which the government has complete control. Not like hyperbolic “Oh, the US is totalitarian.” but actually totalitarian in the legal and material sense.
PRISM and countless programs arent conspiracies they are facts. The US isnt totalitarian to their citizens but they are to the millions of people who’s countries theyve placed fascists into power to kill and imprison their citizens
So why did the PRISM project exists? If there is freedom to deny the government access why did american companies all get in bed with it? This is also not a conspiracy since Snowden will be jailed if he steps foot in american soil.
It is possible to both be anti-chinese government and also want comprehensive privacy laws in the US. Like, I absolutely buy that the Chinese government has access to tiktok data. I, however, don’t think forcing a sale is the right way to deal with any of this. Comprehensive privacy and data collection laws would go much farther towards making it so it doesn’t really matter who owns what.
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Small fediverse lol
You wanna talk Chinese spyware, why are they not outright banning Temu? That’s a much better documented case of actually being spyware.
In terms of Tiktok being spyware, they are tracking users in much the same ways that every other big social media company is. Should other nations be worried about Facebook sharing that data with the US govt to produce psyops campaigns against foreign nations?
I’m against any country blocking access to things in the name of “national security” and providing little to no evidence on it. Its been done too many times to trojan horse in other malicious activities that governments want to do.
For spyware the cyber security community seems pretty meh about it…