I remember when I joined here that tchncs did not federate with Lemmygrad. Is there a reason why it is now? I don’t think it’s a good instance, since it full of (roleplaying) communists hating on the western world… and I wouldn’t want that shit in my “All” feed. Thank you.
Having a central committee of approval sure sounds like communism to me… /jk
Seriously though, we are all going to want different stuff in All. As a user I would like the choice to block an instance, or not.
I dont like them either, but I prefer to federate with as many instances as possible. Its our choice as users to block instances on our feeds or not.
So you would be ok to occassionally get Gore, Nazi shit, CSAM and other awful stuff in your feed?
TIL being a communist who criticized the West for the evils of our society is the same thing as gore, Nazi shit, and csam.
Cry harder lib
Not necessarily the same, but what I said would also be a consequence of the “users free choice”.
Also yes, Communist and Nazi shit is the same!
Tell me you know nothing about communism and nazism. Wanna know the craziest shit? Throughout the world since the end of world war 2 a pattern has emerged. Communists would launch a revolution to overthrow western backed dictators and the US would support fascists to keep them under control. Even before WW2 the Nazis got most of their ideas from the US, a liberal democracy. Curious. So if we have the communists, the Nazis who are fascists, and the US who support fascists which two sound more alike to you…
Now if you want to argue the bolshevism is authoritarian as fuck then sure yeah it is. But that was only the dominant strain of communist beliefs because the libs betrayed Rosa Luxemburg to (surprise surprise) the fascists causing the revolution in Germany to fail and passing the torch to Russia, land of oppression and the Tsars. Is anyone shocked that the people in one of the most backwater oppressed parts of Europe turned out to be authoritarian as fuck? And once they became the only state pushing for communism every other revolution had to enact their brand of communism or be left to fight the US on their own.
The ideal of Nazism is to oppress and destroy the other while building up the “tribe” and maintaining traditional power structures.
The ideal of Communism is to liberate the masses and achieve equality.
They are not the same.
The ideal of Communism is to liberate the masses and achieve equality.
So far we’ve seen dictatorships that killed the masses ._.
Same thing with the West that you are so opposed to critiquing. And I know you know how to read so I know you know WHY it is like that. But it’s not the only way. The free territory of Ukraine and Anarchist Barcelona were both communist and neither of them were authoritarian in their “rule”. They were the only real attempt at actual communism vs what the Bolshevists did, which was create a strong vanguard state until such a time as communism was ready to come forth. And they were both effective at doing it. They only disappeared because of the wars they were in (Russian/Soviet civil war and Spanish civil war respectively)
I wonder how korea fits into that view, overthrowing the western backed dictators sure didn’t work out that well for the North Koreans. And what are your thoughts on the Khmer Rouge, chinas mao etc… I don’t think any of those regimes would have turned out any nicer even if there had been a successful communist enclave in Europe.
It looks to me as if communism in practice is little more than a thinly veiled ploy to fool uneducated masses into accepting a authoritarian government. Personally I think that it’s a fragile system that’s extremely vulnerable to be taken over by authoritarians “in the name of the people”. It‘s an idealistic system, and idealism is similar to religion in the sense that it’s prone to radicalisation because it’s members consider themselves to be right and just by default. It’s also prone to sacrifice individuals(even lots and lots of individuals) for the sake of the “whole”, which tends to be the 1% at the top in practice.
please debate this somewhere else, this is not the place
I want to be able to choose what I see. I think we all should. This is just my opinion.
From the outside, lemmygrad isn’t prone to people seeking to disrupt other instances, nor towards actively “proselytizing” in a disruptive manner. While the whole instance is too extremist for my tastes (and I’m borderline socialist tbh), the people from there tend to be respectful and follow community/instance rules elsewhere.
It really is one of those things where having access to user instance blocking is a great idea, so the we could just avoid posts from there, but still have the users as part of the greater fediverse. I use connect 95% of the time, and the blocking it does shows an option when you run across comments from a blocked instance, allowing you to decide to deal with it or not. I really like that setup but I don’t think it would be viable as a part of the lemmy software itself.
No bullshit, I have accounts on instances that haven’t defederated with lemmygrad, and the people tend to be very chill when not on their instance.
For me, that’s the standard I use when someone calls for defederation: is the instance as a whole the problem, is it the users, and/or is the instance actively seeking to disrupt other places. Exploding heads, as the worst possible example of needing wide defederation, was full of users actively seeking to disrupt other instances. Hexbear was actively planning that kind of behavior. Lemmygrad never has that I’ve seen.
Again, I’m here from another instance, and I don’t have an account here, just giving an external view of things for conversation’s sake :)
While I don’t agree with Lemmygrad politically, they are civil, respect community rules and don’t spam. It’s not like they are calling for violence or posting CP or unmarked gore. If you don’t want to see socialists in your feed, just block them.
gasp! not a … hang on, let me adjust my glasses … not a blurry outline of something resembling a tank! 😱
Marxist Leninist/Stalinist viewpoints are violent by default. It’s completely part of their theory that violent revolution is required to overthrow the status quo to implement the Vanguard State (more violence, though through the guise of conformity) and without that there is no ability to transition to communist society.
All ideologies are violent by default. It’s just whether that violence is intended to enforce the current order and property claims or used to overthrow that order.
Most ideologies don’t literally advocate for violence as part of reaching it’s goals. While people who enact those ideologies might use violence to enforce them it’s not a core tenet like how it is for ML.
Just block the communities when you see them. I never see them, and I only had to block a few. I had not seen them breaking any rules, aside from maybe brigading. Haven’t seen them being bigots or anything. They’re just confused edgy western kids cheering for Russia and pretending they like communism from their shiny new iPhones.
People are also pretending to oppose slavery from their shiny new iPhones.
The slavery that’s happening in “communist” china.
I’m just saying that the iPhone “argument” is so lame. Everybody here uses electronics that use cobalt mined by child slaves in Africa. We still can, and should, point out the atrocities caused by the current system and fight for a better future.
The point is:
China and Russia aren’t communist.
Russia is right wing oil oligarchy ran by nationalists billionaires who hang out on yachts in western ports, with open conquest and old school style colonialist ambitions throughout the world.
China is basically a giga-corporatocracy with companies traded on NYSE, that does massive amounts of business with the largest American hyper capitalist corporations the planet has ever seen. They abandoned their core communist policies decades ago. They’re about as communist/socialist as North Korea is a republic. And they’ve only ventured further and further since.
Anyone who pretends to be pro communist, and also pro Russia or China is not really an ideologue, but simply anti western edgy hypocrites.
And yes, these edgy kids could totally move to those counties. And yes, you can avoid being a hyper consumer in the western world. You can avoid buying new iPhones and cheap disposable items made by slaves.
The average western moderate capitalist isn’t pretending to be capitalist. They simply are capitalist.
Someone pretending to be pro communist and also pro Russia and China is indeed pretty sad. I think we mostly agree.
The iPhone comment was not too serious. The people I see on lemmygrad come off as larpers, edgy upper middle class, highly educated, college paid for by their parents, yuppies, who are fashionably contrarian, not workers union members. And I understand that it’s ok to be a socialist and still succeed in a capitalist world. But these people are not socialist. They have no ideology aside from hating nato and hating the west, even when the hyper capitalist members of CSTO is invading a sovereign country, and destroying entire cities.
I know you didn’t ask for my glittering social commentary, but your point is looking at it from the wrong angle:
Shiny new iPhones and loud, shittily tuned cars are status symbols in Russia as well. In Russia’s slums, you will often see people pay their groceries using their brand new iPhone so they can flex and pretend and then they’ll return to their desolate apartment with broken furniture and dishes, rusted water pipes and a dirty, fucking mattress.
People will rather cheap out on essentials and make their life miserable than to let go of their idolized brands that help them to pretend their life choices were perfect.
They’re just confused edgy western kids cheering for Russia and pretending they like communism from their shiny new iPhones.
And why should any serious instance ever want to connect to that? It’s not only individual communities (where blocking makes sense), it’s the whole instance.
If you want to block on mass anyone you find annoying, go for it. But don’t assume that everyone else wants to create an an echochamber of like-minded people, especially not on an instance-wide level some admin making the decision on behalf of everyone.
Why should we censor them? They aren’t breaking any typical universal internet rules.
That’s not your decision to make for everyone else who comes here for access.
If you want an instance that defederates on political grounds, start one yourself.
Admin fixed it :)
Come on, pal. Just read a couple Marxist books. You won’t hate it once you understand it. Come on, just read Blackshirts and The Reds by Michael Parenti. Be my comrade.
One more book… I swear… The material truth will convince you, bro/sis/sib
I mean, you don’t have to read a book. You could just read the Internet. But you do have to read something. It really all just boils down to whether or not you think things would be better if we had a democratic workplace instead of a workplace dictatorship. If you think the workers should share the profits instead of a couple people that don’t actually do any work.
Yeah, I don’t think many marxists, socialists, communists, anarcho-communists etc actually believe in democracy. Democratising work in (m)any meaning of democracy is too slow to solve many problems, I, people, humans, we have. Reading Kapital, Bread or Questions won’t open the doors of occupation, be it the cell, flat or workplace door - it has no NFC.
Then you fundamentally misunderstand leftists. Leftists want the democratization of the economy. Plain and simple.
The reason why communism is unstable and never works out long-term is because it relies on kindness and giving back to the community and the problem is that money-hungry sociopaths can easily exploit that.
It’s just an utopia. Sadly.
That’s because our culture and society says it’s fine to be a money-hungry sociopath. Many pre-agricultural societies were vaguely communist and shared resources. Back then if you hoarded resources you’d be socially ostracized, lose social standing and all the benefits of being in a tribe. Nowadays we put them on the front of a magazine and exalt them for screwing over their fellow man.
That’s a fair point. Didn’t think about it that way.
It seems to work quite well in Star Trek. It is the closest thing to a real world application of Communism. The closest thing to real Communism was the Paris Commune. Lenin created the idea of The Dictatorship of the Proletariat as a means to rapidly develop and educate a country in turmoil with the intention of building towards a socialist society. The latter was not successful. A Communist revolution has never occurred in a developed country. Communism requires material abundance and technologic advancement. Ya know, like Star Trek.
Removed by mod
sorry about that. i was sure i had it added again after the restore of our blocklist based on mastodon a little while back. it is now on the list… again… .
Thanks so much for hosting this instance.
Sorry for my ignorance, but would you mind clarifying which of your rules lemmygrad violated to get on your blocklist?
- caused problems under German law
- caused technical difficulties
- engaged in hostile activity
- engaged in malicious activity
i understand that you are disappointed and it does not have to be a permanent decision. right now i lack time and energy to give it a close look again. earlier the instance did not look like something we should federate with based on its general content and our experience.
Because tchncs understands that without free speech we have no hope of dealing with any of the problems that concern us.
Federation status
social.tchncs.de does not believe in censorship. Federation is a network service and suspension of federation with another server will only be implemented as a last resort where content from another server may cause problems under German law, or in cases of technical difficulties or hostile or malicious activity.
Because tchncs understands that without free speech we have no hope of dealing with any of the problems that concern us.
I just had a blog post detailing tax records of a software org get deleted because a mod doesn’t like the guy pointing out the tax records.
overpowered mods. this is exactly how a dictatorship regime starts
People need to stop agitating for defederation on the basis of politics.
If you want a safe space for one or another “team,” start one yourself. I’m not interested in participating on instances which engage in this type of petty behavior.
Same with hexbear.
The real question is why is blocked again.
