If you want to argue that the answer to Biden being too soft on Israel’s crimes is to let the guy who handed them East Jerusalem, The West Bank, and The Golan Heights on a silver platter get back into power, you’re either a covert Zionist agent, or an unwitting Zionist agent.
The answer to Biden’s complicity in Netanyahu’s genocide is greater political pressure for him to stop.
Of course, people who don’t want him to stop will always try to pretend that any opposition is support for Trump.
Of course, people who don’t want him to stop will always try to pretend that any opposition is support for Trump.
You honestly think the people posting this sentiment don’t want Netanyahu to stop? That’s a silly opinion if so. Maybe you disagree with the logic being used, but you can’t say these people actively want Netanyahu to continue what he’s doing.
I want this to end as much as you, but it is undeniable that Biden is a better candidate than Trump in this respect. And in our country there are only 2 options so vote for. So if I’m not voting for Biden, I am just helping Trump get in office and do more harm.
You honestly think the people posting this sentiment don’t want Netanyahu to stop?
I don’t know. They sure as hell don’t want Biden to stop supporting Netanyahu’s genocide.
Maybe you disagree with the logic being used, but you can’t say these people actively want Netanyahu to continue what he’s doing.
Then they should pressure Biden to stop supporting Netanyahu’s genocide. They won’t. They get mad at people who say Biden should stop supporting genocide instead.
I want this to end as much as you,
Yeah.
but it is undeniable that Biden is a better candidate than Trump in this respect.
Yes. He should still stop supporting genocide. Maybe centrists should say so.
You can be 2 things at the same time. This whole thread is about voting. It’s possible to pressure Biden while also voting against the undeniably worse candidate.
What doesn’t make sense is voting in a way that will end up significantly worse for Gaza and saying you’re doing that because you can’t possibly support Biden.
I think when you joint a thread that’s about voting, or references voting, these are the comments you’re going to see. Doesn’t means we’re “centrists”, just means we care about the election results IN ADDITION TO the state of our world.
Doesn’t means we’re “centrists”, just means we care about the election results IN ADDITION TO the state of our world.
If you care about election results, you should be doing everything you can to pressure Biden to abandon a losing issue.
If not “centrist”, what term would you prefer for people who would rather support genocide and lose to Trump with all that entails than abandon support for genocide and win?
I’ve said multiple times in this thread that I’m voting for Biden. I’ve told you that multiple times as well. You have chosen to ignore it and call me a trumpist.
So anyone opposed to curtailing abortion rights also loves actively killing babies too, right?
It’s definitely not that it’s more complicated than that. It’s that such folks love to watch babies get murdered. Tickles them pink. Your “argument” is definitely not a cop-out meant to shut down anyone who disagrees by accusing them of supporting something that at most .01% of humans would ever support. It’s completely and totally honest.
It is really hard to believe you folks don’t want genocide when you spend every day railing at people who want it to stop. I recognize usernames from the people who were shouting we were supporting Trump for voting uncomitted in a primary. If your reaction to every instance of someone trying to pressure Biden to not continue a genocide is vitriolic rage, then I think I should be questioning your motives.
I don’t think you want the genocide necessarily, I just think you’re so terrified and self-interested that you won’t risk literally anything to stop a genocide. You’re cowards who are going to let my coworkers families be shelled out of their homes in the hope that Biden will save you from Trump, rather than trying for even an instant to prevent it from happening. I also think that supporting the genocide is going to lose Biden the election, so I think even your self-interested fear is deluded. Biden is sitting on damning evidence of his administration pushing for Israel support despite growing evidence of Israel’s crimes, and I am not naive enough to think that will remain secret until election day.
It is really hard to believe you folks don’t want genocide when you spend every day railing at people who want it to stop
or
I don’t think you want the genocide necessarily
?
What’s hard for me to believe is that the users – which I see every day just waiting for an opportunity to throw Biden under the bus for not stopping something he could at best TRY to stop, except instead of acknowledging that reality, laying all of it at his feet – have no ulterior motive.
I also think that supporting the genocide is going to lose Biden the election
If that happens, it will be aided tremendously by campaigns like yours and your friends, going around trying to get people to blame Biden entirely for something that at most he failed to act properly against. You will re-elect Trump, and you’ll pretend the entire fucking time that you acted morally and it won’t be your fault when it happens. Then you’ll use your ass backward logic and say that the whole time it was Biden’s fault for personally and gleefully killing children, and secondarily it will be every single person’s fault who tried to caution you against this scorched Earth bullshit. Trump will destroy democracy and support Israel to the extreme and according to you it will be everyone’s fault besides yours, because blaming the millennia of conflict in the middle east on the somewhat sane candidate during an election year was the moral thing to do and completely worth the risk.
You’re either myopic fucking fools or you’re campaigning for a fascist.
Its really easy to combine those two statements, I suggest a common conjunction. I find it hard to believe you don’t want the genocide, but I don’t think you want it. As in your actions indicate you do want it, but I think the underlying reason is different.
Biden is actively participating. Every time the U.S. has blocked a measure to stop the genocide, skirted Congress to continue providing weapons, and pushed Israeli propoganda has been on him. Acting like he has to get down there and strangle someone himself before you count him as involved is fucking wild. When the governments of almost the entirety of the world agree to try and stop Israel and the US is the lone holdout that says a lot.
The answer to Biden’s complicity in Netanyahu’s genocide is greater political pressure for him to stop.
Of course, people who don’t want him to stop will always try to pretend that any opposition is support for Trump.
You honestly think the people posting this sentiment don’t want Netanyahu to stop? That’s a silly opinion if so. Maybe you disagree with the logic being used, but you can’t say these people actively want Netanyahu to continue what he’s doing.
I want this to end as much as you, but it is undeniable that Biden is a better candidate than Trump in this respect. And in our country there are only 2 options so vote for. So if I’m not voting for Biden, I am just helping Trump get in office and do more harm.
I don’t know. They sure as hell don’t want Biden to stop supporting Netanyahu’s genocide.
Then they should pressure Biden to stop supporting Netanyahu’s genocide. They won’t. They get mad at people who say Biden should stop supporting genocide instead.
Yeah.
Yes. He should still stop supporting genocide. Maybe centrists should say so.
You can be 2 things at the same time. This whole thread is about voting. It’s possible to pressure Biden while also voting against the undeniably worse candidate.
What doesn’t make sense is voting in a way that will end up significantly worse for Gaza and saying you’re doing that because you can’t possibly support Biden.
Then centrists should start doing the former in addition to the latter.
Instead, they scream that anyone who does the former wants trump.
I think when you joint a thread that’s about voting, or references voting, these are the comments you’re going to see. Doesn’t means we’re “centrists”, just means we care about the election results IN ADDITION TO the state of our world.
If you care about election results, you should be doing everything you can to pressure Biden to abandon a losing issue.
If not “centrist”, what term would you prefer for people who would rather support genocide and lose to Trump with all that entails than abandon support for genocide and win?
I’d call person a strawman.
And yet, I’m not seeing centrists pressuring Biden to stop supporting genocide.
Of course, people who want an excuse to support trump will pretend anyone not vocally raging about Biden every day is a lover of genocide.
I’ve said multiple times in this thread that I’m voting for Biden. I’ve told you that multiple times as well. You have chosen to ignore it and call me a trumpist.
Your insistence on pivoting the conversation to be anti-biden literally every chance you get is suspicious to say the least
Your intense rage and conspiratorial suspicion at people criticizing Biden for actively abetting a genocide is pretty suspicious to say the least.
So anyone opposed to curtailing abortion rights also loves actively killing babies too, right?
It’s definitely not that it’s more complicated than that. It’s that such folks love to watch babies get murdered. Tickles them pink. Your “argument” is definitely not a cop-out meant to shut down anyone who disagrees by accusing them of supporting something that at most .01% of humans would ever support. It’s completely and totally honest.
It is really hard to believe you folks don’t want genocide when you spend every day railing at people who want it to stop. I recognize usernames from the people who were shouting we were supporting Trump for voting uncomitted in a primary. If your reaction to every instance of someone trying to pressure Biden to not continue a genocide is vitriolic rage, then I think I should be questioning your motives.
I don’t think you want the genocide necessarily, I just think you’re so terrified and self-interested that you won’t risk literally anything to stop a genocide. You’re cowards who are going to let my coworkers families be shelled out of their homes in the hope that Biden will save you from Trump, rather than trying for even an instant to prevent it from happening. I also think that supporting the genocide is going to lose Biden the election, so I think even your self-interested fear is deluded. Biden is sitting on damning evidence of his administration pushing for Israel support despite growing evidence of Israel’s crimes, and I am not naive enough to think that will remain secret until election day.
Which is it?
or
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What’s hard for me to believe is that the users – which I see every day just waiting for an opportunity to throw Biden under the bus for not stopping something he could at best TRY to stop, except instead of acknowledging that reality, laying all of it at his feet – have no ulterior motive.
If that happens, it will be aided tremendously by campaigns like yours and your friends, going around trying to get people to blame Biden entirely for something that at most he failed to act properly against. You will re-elect Trump, and you’ll pretend the entire fucking time that you acted morally and it won’t be your fault when it happens. Then you’ll use your ass backward logic and say that the whole time it was Biden’s fault for personally and gleefully killing children, and secondarily it will be every single person’s fault who tried to caution you against this scorched Earth bullshit. Trump will destroy democracy and support Israel to the extreme and according to you it will be everyone’s fault besides yours, because blaming the millennia of conflict in the middle east on the somewhat sane candidate during an election year was the moral thing to do and completely worth the risk.
You’re either myopic fucking fools or you’re campaigning for a fascist.
Its really easy to combine those two statements, I suggest a common conjunction. I find it hard to believe you don’t want the genocide, but I don’t think you want it. As in your actions indicate you do want it, but I think the underlying reason is different.
Biden is actively participating. Every time the U.S. has blocked a measure to stop the genocide, skirted Congress to continue providing weapons, and pushed Israeli propoganda has been on him. Acting like he has to get down there and strangle someone himself before you count him as involved is fucking wild. When the governments of almost the entirety of the world agree to try and stop Israel and the US is the lone holdout that says a lot.
You just can’t help yourself can you. Pathetic.
You can’t defend support for genocide, so you attack those who oppose it.
You know a lot of people really are as stupid as you take them to be, but many aren’t. What you’re doing here is obvious
Oh? what I am I doing? What’s the newest baseless accusation are you going to throw at me because I don’t like genocide?
People can see it, I’m not going to keep responding to someone who is quite obviously a bad faith actor.
You’ve said that before, but never miss an opportunity to lob abuse at anyone who opposes genocide.