• disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
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      So you’re suggesting Trump then? I’m not sure if you’re aware of the state of the US election system, but there are two candidates that have a chance of being elected. One of them has a voter base that will vote regardless of criminal convictions for attempting to overturn an election, inciting an insurrection, and selling national secrets.

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          Yes if a republican didn’t vote it would be support for Biden, that is essentially how it boils down

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              Just trying to avoid 2016 pt. 2

              You can always vote however you want I’m not trying to change that I’m just trying to get you to understand that your actions may not have your desired end result and why.

              We agree on what needs to happen just not the methods.

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                Can you explain how voting for Biden is “avoiding 2016 pt. 2?” It seems “2016 pt. 2” keeps happening anyway because people insist that we keep doing the same thing over and over again.

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                  Do you sincerely not see a difference in the last 4 years as opposed to the four prior? We’ve had an increase action on health Care, student debt, decriminalization of marijuana, environmental action and a whole lot more.

                  I’m not saying it’s perfect I’m just saying he’s the best option we’ve got and if you want to sway him more in the direction you want then in the meantime pressuring Congress will allow you to do that.

                  Lack of votes don’t pressure anyone only votes do.

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                    The only difference I’ve noticed is the lack of daily headlines regarding some new ‘gaffe’ committed by the president.

                    This vague list of action might as well be meaningless as it is little more than half measures and virtue signaling. Healthcare is still as expensive as it ever was, college is still as expensive as it ever was, marijuana is already legal in 1/2 the country and medically legal in 4/5th of the country, climate change is still rapidly getting worse, homelessness is increasing, housing prices are increasing, wages are still suppressed, unions are still suppressed, women, minorities, and LGBT people now have fewer rights.

                    Biden is only the best option we’ve got if you limit your support to one of two individuals out of 330 million citizens.

                    Lack of votes is the only way to pressure someone. How would anyone feel pressured to do anything after they’ve already received your vote? It’s not like you can take it back after the fact. This is precisely why neither of these two parties has to do anything beneficial in order to win elections. They deceive you into trapping yourself in a box where only two candidates exist while banking on the fact that you’d never vote for the other one.

                    If you want change, you actually have to change your actions. It’s not going to happen by doing the same thing you’ve always done.

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              I answered it before you asked it. Trump’s base is loyal to Trump first, and America second. They won’t sway regardless of his convictions, let alone international relations with Israel. Encouraging voter disengagement, abstaining from voting, or voting uncommitted would only fall on the ears of the voters opposing Trump, thereby improving his chances of winning.

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                  A non-vote from a voter who otherwise would have voted against Trump is a vote for Trump. This is how this election must be seen with polls this close and civil rights, international war, and climate change on the line. Stop encouraging voter disengagement unless your goal is another Trump presidency.

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                    civil rights, international war, and climate change on the line.

                    Those aren’t “on the line” because they aren’t considerations for either one of these candidates.

                    You’re just arguing to perpetuate the very system that brought us to this point. Don’t try to claim “that’s just how it works” either as it only works that way because of people like you ensuring its survival.

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      You vote that way in the primary, not the general. All you’re doing is ensuring the worst possible outcome, rather than the one you claim you want.