cross-posted from: https://lemmy.kde.social/post/1227204

Image shows screenshot of XCOM2: War of The Chosen: Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. Terms of Service, with an added Mandatory Arbitration clause in Section 15.

Came back to the game after a year or so, just to see this:

Shows how to opt-out

At least they let us disagree to the ToC. Not sure if I can play the game after that though, since I just exited after clicking the disagree button.

Also, at least they show us the changes on the top, so we know what happened.

    • ulterno@lemmy.kde.socialOPEnglish
      21·
      7 months ago

      I don’t get this part.
      How come they explicitly state the European Economic Area, while at the same time, it doesn’t apply there?

      Or do the European Economic Area and EU refer to different things?

      Or is it that they thought the user will not care to check in case they have a problem big enough to seek legal aid?

      • smegEnglish
        13·
        7 months ago

        EEA and EU are related but not the same

      • _skj@lemmy.worldEnglish
        9·
        7 months ago

        The EEA shows up in the list of places it does not apply. They worded it strangely, first calling out the US as a place where it does apply. Then they change it up and say it also applies to anywhere not on this specific list of places

        • ulterno@lemmy.kde.socialOPEnglish
          4·
          7 months ago

          Ah you’re right. Rereading it fixed the doubt. Guess I skipped a few words the first time.
          Mental note to not skip words in a legal document. Or any written document.

  • Womble@lemmy.worldEnglish
    7·
    7 months ago

    Is this actually meaningful in any way or is it just the corporate equivalent of positive manifestation? Surely no court would take seriously an after the fact imposition of you waiving your rights by default unless you send a physical letter to them informing them you disagree with losing your right to sue (for no gain on your part).

    • Maalus@lemmy.worldEnglish
      10·
      7 months ago

      Why not? Arbitration clauses work in the US. The funnier things that happen is when something is so bad, thousands of people go in for arbitration and the company cannot afford that. Then it backfires hard on them since you need to get every person to arbitrate and there is tens of thousands of them.

      • Womble@lemmy.worldEnglish
        16·
        7 months ago

        The whole forced arbitration is bad enough, but retroactively enforcing it on something you already own while deliberately making it difficult to opt out just seems like its begging to fall foul of anti-consumer rules. The whole “this applies to the extent that its not really fucking illegal” clause just makes it seem like an intimidation tactic rather than actually something they think they have any chance of enforcing if it came to it.

        • Carrolade@lemmy.worldEnglish
          82·
          7 months ago

          Anti-consumer rules…? What are those? Sounds like communist propaganda to me. All hail the corporate overlords job creators!

    • ulterno@lemmy.kde.socialOPEnglish
      7·
      7 months ago

      You can just decline and play without some multiplayer features.

      Though, in my case, it crashed on game start, probably due to unrelated reasons (I’m on linux).

      But I think loading a previous version is also an option (as I read somewhere). Never tried though.