"We hope the world hears us and knows that the people of Israel are not the government of Israel," said one protester.

“We hope the world hears us and knows that the people of Israel are not the government of Israel,” said one protester.

Israelis protested on Saturday night, calling for a ceasefire and the resignation of hardline Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Tens of thousands took to the streets in Tel Aviv to demand that the government reach a deal with Hamas to secure the release of Israeli hostages in Gaza.

They also called for new elections, accusing Netanyahu of prolonging the conflict to keep himself in power.

  • blazera@lemmy.worldEnglish
    17711·
    6 months ago

    Netanyahu has been prime minister for 16 years, just won reelection in 2022, and has been a murderous, zionist bastard the entire time.

    • FiniteBanjo@lemmy.todayEnglish
      15·
      6 months ago

      Not to mention, he lost power before 2022 because of court battles from 2015 to 2021 after which the courts ruled he could not be held accountable for crimes of corruption, and his reinstatement also meant that the compromise-government that formed on the condition of 2 years of conservative rulership followed by 2 years of progressive/moderate rulership was cut short and it was just back to back Netanyahu-lite to Netanyahu-lager.

      Murphy’s law is enforced in Israel.

      • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
        61·
        6 months ago

        the condition of 2 years of conservative rulership followed by 2 years of progressive/moderate rulership was cut short

        Well the important thing is that the moderates compromised. How were they to know that the fascists couldn’t be trusted?

        This is Charlie-Brown-with-the-football levels of gullible.

        • FiniteBanjo@lemmy.todayEnglish
          3·
          6 months ago

          Yeah, probably one of the few cases where it actually would have been better for the government to remain in shutdown.

    • NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      4·
      6 months ago

      If you think it’s that simple you have no clue how controversial he is, and has been for roughly the entire time (increasing over the years). Israel isn’t (yet?) stuck in a two-party system, so there’s lots of different parties. Needless to say, Likkud (his party) does not get 50% of the votes. It is the largest party most of the time but not a majority.

      The previous government formed with parties from opposite sides of the spectrum just to keep the Likkud out. It didn’t last long, but neither did any of Bibi’s governments in the preceding 2 years - we’ve had a political crisis because no one wanted to work with him because he’s so controversial. The only reason he won the last election is that some parties on the left didn’t pass the threshold to be represented (basically throwing away their votes) and he partnered with extremist parties on the far-right, which he previously wouldn’t have lowered himself to but he was desperate to return to power. No one would partner with him but them.

      As for the number of votes Likkud does get - yeah, it’s a lot, but so are Trump voters (or pick your least favourite party/politician in your country) and it wouldn’t be fair to generalise and say all Americans support Trump, would it? Not to mention, you only get to pick from the candidates that are available.

      FWIW I voted against him, to the party that didn’t pass the threshold :( it was the first time in their history this happened IIRC

      • blazera@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        6 months ago

        Likud doesnt get a majority, but it does get a plurality for a reason. Its also far from the only murderous zionist party, the coalition formed is absolutely a majority. Even if people didnt vote for netanyahu, most of them voted for a murderous zionist party. Netanyahu isnt doing this alone.

  • Phoenixz@lemmy.caEnglish
    1264·
    6 months ago

    And this shows that those opposed to Israel’s actions in Gaza are not antisemitic (ignoring the eventual neonazi assholes), they are opposed to a government that is committing genocide. Especially a government that governs a people THAT SHOULD KNOE BETTER.

    I have no problems at all with Jews and I’m sure that, given people who really want peace, a good treaty can be made where both the Palestinians and the Israelites can peacefully coexist, that would be awesome.

    However, right now saying even something like that is somehow antisemitic. If anything, I find that sort of behavior antisemitic, because it is so transparent that it pushes more people to the far right and into the hands of neo Nazis.

    Stop the genocide, stop the war, withdraw ALL Israeli forces immediately and unconditionally. Then put in a peace keeping force comprised of multiple countries in that same area, and make sure they all work towards peace.

    • joneskind@lemmy.worldEnglish
      211·
      6 months ago

      I was about to say that I hoped we could make protests against Israel’s government without being called antisemitic here in France too…

    • nifty@lemmy.worldEnglish
      105·
      6 months ago

      People like me get no love from anyone because I want the Jewish people to have Israel as their country, and I want to help protect the rights of Israelis. I also want the same for Palestinians.

      People who perpetuate genocide against anyone shouldn’t be tolerated by civilized societies. The fact that mass killings exist in any form in human history is not a role model for the future.

      • Andy@slrpnk.netEnglish
        611·
        6 months ago

        I find it helps to name check the position you’re describing, which is “a one-state solution”.

        • nifty@lemmy.worldEnglish
          133·
          6 months ago

          How is what I am describing one-state? The reasonable path forward, which limits bloodshed and violence, is supporting both Israel’s and Palestine’s right to exist.

          • Andy@slrpnk.netEnglish
            11·
            6 months ago

            Sorry, I think I had a different comment open in a different tab and got confused before I had to run off to do something.

            I’ll leave it up, because I don’t like to delete comments that have been replied to.

    • rottingleaf@lemmy.zipEnglish
      74·
      6 months ago

      First of all if Israel, having such a strong military and industrial base, were not a piece of rotten evil, it could make a huge difference in the Middle-East.

      But instead of actually working toward that end Israelis decided to put a kinda similar image and exploit it. Simultaneously having a narrative of “we tried, but they just don’t want to live happily” in their propaganda and even believing that themselves.

    • DaBabyAteMaDingo@lemmy.worldEnglish
      630·
      6 months ago

      Palestine will reject any treaty. Like they always have. All they want is for Jews to be the minority or to leave entirely.

        • DaBabyAteMaDingo@lemmy.worldEnglish
          14·
          6 months ago

          A headline from an article I need to pay to read that was sourced by hamas themselves? I’m sold! 🤣

          No wonder the whole world doesn’t take you far lefties seriously 😂

          • Sagrotan@lemmy.worldEnglish
            121·
            6 months ago

            Yeah. Before that there were a Greek guy named Alexander, before that there assyrians. Let’s give it back to them. Oh wait, there were since guys from deeper Africa before them… The concept of countries or nations is utterly stupid.

      • Phoenixz@lemmy.caEnglish
        1·
        6 months ago

        They agreed to treaties before that Israel rejected. But sure, blame the Palestinians

    • Pilferjinx@lemmy.worldEnglish
      429·
      6 months ago

      Israel jews are a different breed than the holocaust survivors. Germany paid reparations to Israel and barely, if any, actually made it to the actual survivors. They’re generally not a good people. But I have seen protests and legit compassion from them to know that it’s always the loudest voices that are most often heard.

    • InformalTrifle@lemmy.worldEnglish
      437·
      6 months ago

      There’s just one small flaw in your plan. Hamas has widespread support in Palestine and is not interested in peace, only in the destruction of Israel.

      If you end the war you just go back to the previous situation where Hamas will continue to persistently launch rockets at Israel and execute more terror attacks, not peace.

          • danekrae@lemmy.worldEnglish
            113·
            6 months ago

            Aaah, like how similar the israeli and the nazi government is? Like the genocide against innocent Palestinians? Like IDF’s human right violations?

            Wishing it to be untrue doesn’t work unfortunately

      • 𝓔𝓶𝓶𝓲𝓮@lemm.eeEnglish
        91·
        6 months ago

        Maybe it has such support because of Israel actions. I bet after the Netanjahu war crimes it will have 99%. Hell survivors probably will KoS anyone who even remotely resembles someone from Israel and will pass this tradition on generations to come.

        • InformalTrifle@lemmy.worldEnglish
          214·
          6 months ago

          I can understand why you’d think that coming from a position of logic, but no, it’s Islam.

          You’re right, it’ll probably go from >50% to 99%. And probably few of them will ever acknowledge that their religion and support of Hamas is what led to this tragedy.

          • 𝓔𝓶𝓶𝓲𝓮@lemm.eeEnglish
            82·
            6 months ago

            So what you want to just murder them all? Clean up the place? There are certain historical figures from ww2 Germany and Russia that figured out all the methods, bells and whistles.

            • InformalTrifle@lemmy.worldEnglish
              29·
              6 months ago

              Where did I say I wanted to murder anyone?

              Where do you live? Was it always the country it is now? How would your government react to constant bombardment from a fanatical religious neighbour that wanted to wipe your country off the map to get into paradise?

              • 𝓔𝓶𝓶𝓲𝓮@lemm.eeEnglish
                33·
                6 months ago

                Probably not digging mass graves everywhere. It would be lots of foundational work. Cultural assimilation. Economic warfare. Coca Cola. Replacing the leaders.

                Violence is easiest and quickest but is also stupid and has opposite effect, unless of course we go all the way to a complete wipe out. Stalin way.

                At this point there is no half measures. You have to go all the way, total wipeout. Those people will not forgive Israel in hundred years. It makes no sense to start genocide but not finish it. That would be pure madness and random convulsions of some blind, shortsighted idiot.

                Hell, I would grab a grenade launcher myself at this point if I was in their shoes. This stuff is the worst possible way to handle it.

                They could throw a nuke there and it wouldn’t be far off from the mess it is now.

                Result is everyone hates them, people are all radicalised against them. Bombings inside Israel will probably continue nevertheless. Nothing is solved but there is a gargantuan pile of problems added.

                I suspect the goal was populism all along. And this guy is a psychopath.

      • danekrae@lemmy.worldEnglish
        8·
        6 months ago

        “Now we’ve justified, that 70% of the murdered people are women and children, right? RIGHT?! REICH?!”

        • InformalTrifle@lemmy.worldEnglish
          310·
          6 months ago

          No, I’m not commenting on Israels methods which clearly could be better, to put it mildly. That doesn’t mean it’s logical to dream there can ever be peace with jihadists

      • Maggoty@lemmy.worldEnglish
        71·
        6 months ago

        If they aren’t interested in peace then why was it Netanyahu who just torpedoed the current cease fire proposal and not Hamas?

        • InformalTrifle@lemmy.worldEnglish
          26·
          6 months ago

          Clearly because he wants to eliminate the jihadist terrorist organisation. I’m not claiming that’s the right decision but I understand it. But it seems a lot of Israelis don’t support him.

          But just because Netanyahu is no longer interested in peace doesn’t automatically make Hamas a peaceful group. The group that performs suicide bombings, uses human shields, beheads civilians, would stone you to death for drawing a picture of the prophet. They are not looking for peace no matter how much you downvote

      • Phoenixz@lemmy.caEnglish
        1·
        6 months ago

        Yeah, and who’s to blame for that, literally by funding Hamas? The Israeli government.

        If they could fund hamas then they can also fund schools, hospitals, help rebuild Gaza.

        None of what you say should stand in the way of a peace treaty

  • unreasonabro@lemmy.worldEnglish
    882·
    6 months ago

    Good shit guys, and good luck, what’s the point of democracy if they don’t fucking listen. We should all be doing this, all of the time

    • Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      4·
      6 months ago

      Guess why France has a some pro-consumer laws that wouldn’t fly in other countries. It’s because if the government pisses the people off, they instantly respond with rioting. It works.

  • Anas@lemmy.worldEnglish
    629·
    6 months ago

    While it’s fair that they’re protesting for their hostages to be returned, this headline puts them in a completely different light. I don’t believe anyone is actually protesting for a ceasefire.

    • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      245·
      6 months ago

      This is correct. I can’t find anything at all claiming this protest has anything to do with stopping the Palestinian genocide for the sake of humanity.

      They just want their hostages back, according to what I’ve been able to find. Can anyone show significant support for the contrary?

    • untorquer@lemmy.worldEnglish
      103·
      6 months ago

      Article specifically quotes about the people being hostages of respective political leadership. Albeit a somewhat moderate take in context, still rather antiauthoritarian which tends to be anti war/genocide.

  • FarraigePlaisteach@lemmy.worldEnglish
    4916·
    6 months ago

    ‘“We hope the world hears us and knows that the people of Israel are not the government of Israel,” said one protester.‘

    I really wanted to believe that, but they have the same PRV type of voting system as Ireland so that’s hard to believe. It’s not like UK/US where the votes are counted in a more primitive way.

    • blargerer@kbin.social
      692·
      6 months ago

      I’ll admit to not being the most knowledgeable person on internal Israeli politics, but my understanding is hes been holding onto power for a while through a combination of coalitions and judge nonsense. Even then, if he represented the views of 51% of Israeli’s that would still be a lot of people who’s views don’t align with his.

      • Tryptaminev@lemm.eeEnglish
        312·
        6 months ago

        The problem is that there is a lot of Israelis who are now against Netanyahu, but who are still in support of the genocide in Gaza, or who are always in support of the Settler terrorism and slow genocide in the Westbank.

        No Israeli government has reduced or at least stopped settlements since Rabin was murdered. The Center and Center Left of Israeli politics are equally in favor of an Apartheid occupation and running Israel as a supremacist ethnostate.

        There is some people that genuinely reject all of this fascist nonsense and demand actual peace and actual justice in Israel. But unfortunately they are very much a minority. And when they speak up they often get threatened, harassed and attacked.

        • barsoap@lemm.eeEnglish
          161·
          6 months ago

          No Israeli government has reduced or at least stopped settlements since Rabin was murdered.

          Quoth the Haaretz: “Jigal Amir won”.

          The possible silver lining is that Netanyahu also demonstrated that the right-wing’s idea of how to ensure security – namely, by antagonising Palestinians into submission – doesn’t work. But that kind of insight will take a while to actually sink in.

          And another thing that needs to happen is Israelis not shying away from looking at what’s being done to Palestinians. The Israeli press is self-censoring, knowing that noone wants to watch or read about the crimes the IDF is committing. It’s wilful ignorance: People want to support the IDF because they at least at some level still believe in the antagonising Palestinians into submission approach, yet they can’t bear to acknowledge what that entails. Which is kinda actually a real silver lining: Imagine if the Israeli press glorified, instead of ignored, all those mass graves and whatnot, what that would say about their audience. In the end it’s still only the Kahanites who actually get a hard-on when seeing Arab corpses.

          …the same, side note, btw also happened in the Third Reich: First Nazis were very overt, the pogroms were open, public, they were dragging people through streets and whatnot. They very quickly changed approach, made sure that people were able to ignore what was being done, were able to come up with lies such as “they’re only expelling the Jews” and actually believe in them. Precisely because not every German back then got a hard-on when seeing a Jewish corpse either.

          So, please, Israeli people, get rid of those chucklefucks in government before they put you in camps for protesting.

        • go_go_gadget@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1224·
          6 months ago

          Biden’s primary stated reason for defending Israel is a promise to his dying father.

          Not his conscience, not the people alive and around him today, not the people who voted for him, not the people who he’s depending on to get re-elected.

          Sorry America, an 80 year old white man is making an undemocratic choice due to a promise he made to another old white man. Awesome.

            • go_go_gadget@lemmy.worldEnglish
              98·
              6 months ago

              Fair enough, but it’s just about the only explanation that would make sense. Dude is going to lose the election over this.

              • InfiniteGlitch@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                31·
                6 months ago

                So first; your comment sounds passive aggressive. You can argue/ discuss without it. If not, I’ll just block you.

                I appreciate the sources, never knew it was thanks to his father - that Biden is a pro-Israel/ Zionist. However this does not particularly show that defending Israel is a “promise to his father”

                Like the other comment state:

                Biden’s primary stated reason for defending Israel is a promise to his dying father

                In none of your articles does this come up. Only that his father is the reason of him being pro-Israel.

                I know very well Biden is a pro-Zionist/ pro-Israel. You can check my comment history.

                EDIT: so your sources and your comment doesn’t “answer” my question at all. It just shows he became a pro Israel because of his father. Not about him promising his father, he will defend Israel.

                We all know already that he’s a pro-Israel because there’s a video of Biden saying “if there was no Israel, we will invent one”. Joe Biden says if Israel didn’t exist, the US would have to invent one to protect US interests

      • floofloof@lemmy.caEnglish
        253·
        6 months ago

        Some of those dissatisfied with him will want an even more extreme right-winger. So you conclude too much from that figure alone, except that he’s very unpopular.

        • untorquer@lemmy.worldEnglish
          61·
          6 months ago

          For the poll to drop after a genocide starts, one would need to imagine that most of the drop is anti genocide. “Critical support”, when taken in a serious context, usually means one would still vote in an electoral system for that leader who did the thing versus an alternative.

          It’s hard to imagine what a hardliner would want more at a point where the track is basically kettle and bomb, malnourish to death, is short of enslave and malnourish to death. Like nukes don’t work because then you can’t use the land for a couple decades.

    • PugJesus@kbin.social
      10·
      6 months ago

      It’s also a parliamentary system, and there hasn’t been a stable coalition in forever. Netanyahu, despite his lack of public popularity, has the backroom connections to stay on top of ‘the game’ in a divided parliament, especially with two of the left-wing parties only narrowly missing the threshold in the last election.

  • VoilaChihuahua@lemmy.worldEnglish
    343·
    6 months ago

    I am curious to witness the mental gymnatics necessary to call these Israelis antisemitic…what absolute nonsense will need to be implemented this round?

    • blazeknave@lemmy.worldEnglish
      55·
      6 months ago

      I logged on after reading about the ceasefire, just to look for articles here, where the comments will inevitably say it’s not enough and they’re electing Trump bc they’re so far left.

      • Tinidril@midwest.socialEnglish
        41·
        6 months ago

        What does “left” have to do with it? Is it only leftists who object to genocide?

        The number of voters dumb enough to switch from Biden to Trump is insignificant. What’s going to happen is a whole lot of voters are just going to give up and stay home, and it won’t have anything to do with how far left they are.

        Just like every damn election, the left is telling the establishment how to attract voters, the establishment is ignoring the left, then the establishment will blame the left. The vast majority of those engaged enough to call themselves leftists are going to vote for Biden. It’s the barely engaged working Americans who are going to check out.

        • blazeknave@lemmy.worldEnglish
          11·
          6 months ago

          Ummm… staying home not voting against Trump, is welcoming his election. You flip flopped on this comment from acknowledging the difference but in the end throw your hands up offering, “but that won’t happen anyway, they’ll vote Biden” … I don’t think they will, and staying home to do so is a .5 vote for red team. It’s just the math of elections. Staying home with your vote is still not casting it for the not evil orange dictator

          • Tinidril@midwest.socialEnglish
            1·
            6 months ago

            Gawd, it’s exhausting how many people just lock into the bullshit frame of mainstream news.

            Try to understand this please. Most Americans don’t give a shit about left vs right politics. They give a shit about their kids, or the mortgage, or figuring out that issue that has there boss turning weird shades of purple.

            The tiny sliver of Americans that are politically astuit enough to even realize that they are leftists are not what swings elections. This is exactly as dumb as the Republican delusion that it’s poor brown people fucking them over.

            It’s the same tired bullshit every single damn election. Leftists tell the establishment how to rouse working Americans. The establishment ignores the left and loses. The establishment blames the left. Rince and repeat.

        • Tinidril@midwest.socialEnglish
          1·
          6 months ago

          It’s really not. US long term strategy is to disengage from the Middle East to focus on bringing freedom™ to Africa. The plan is to leave Israel and Saudi Arabia to babysit, which is what the ill-fated Abraham Accords were for from a US perspective. The US doesn’t give a rats ass about the Palestinians, but being implicated in a genocide is inconvenient.

  • AutoTL;DR@lemmings.worldBEnglish
    5·
    6 months ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:

    Tens of thousands took to the streets in Tel Aviv to demand that the government reach a deal with Hamas to secure the release of Israeli hostages in Gaza.

    Egyptian state media reported “noticeable progress" on talks, although an Israeli official downplayed the prospects for a full end to the war in Gaza.

    Hamas has repeatedly insisted that any deal freeing the hostages must include a withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza and an end to the fighting.

    “The most important thing is to bring the hostages back and to get humanitarian aid into Gaza,” said Roi Tzohar, demonstrating in Tel Aviv.

    But chances for a ceasefire deal remain entangled with the key question of whether Israel will accept an end to the war without reaching its stated goal of destroying Hamas.

    The official said Israel was committed to the Rafah invasion, where an estimated 1.4 million people have fled the fighting in central and northern Gaza.

    The original article contains 522 words, the summary contains 157 words. Saved 70%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

  • lazynooblet@lazysoci.alEnglish
    62·
    6 months ago

    Netanyahu’s government - seen as the most right-wight in Israel’s history

    Right wing? Or am I lost