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No, KDE Plasma 5.6 or 5.3 (5.27, my bad, edit) I think (whatever was before 6 launched) , tested last year on a fresh Debian 12 Stable install. It had GARBAGE performance. Turning off compositor and all animations made a massive difference, but it made KDE look and feel almost worse than LXQt.
XFCE looked a lot better while having screaming fast performance, compared to a neutered KDE.
Mind you, this is not a toaster machine. This is i5-7200U ThinkPad with 12 GB RAM. GNOME, XFCE and LXQt run extremely fast on it. And fresh installation with nothing else added.
KDE is not simple. Powerful? Absolutely. It has extreme customisation but for people who want to use computer as a tool to get the job done, it acts as a minus point. GNOME has less customisability and is restricted, but gains advantage with stability and feature minimalism. GNOME is a bit like stock Android with extensions acting like OEM features, whereas KDE is like a full blown custom ROM where you need to setup everything, and is just a hassle.
KDE Plasma 5.6 is not ancient by any standards. Plasma 6 is the current iteration, and 5.6 existed when Debian 12 launched last July. If it did not work on 7200U, it will not work well. Other DEs worked perfectly, so KDE is at fault.
Edit: well it seems I was misremembering. Debian 12 provides KDE 5.27 version. I used that. I do not know their version number system.
KDE Plasma 5.6 is from 2016, genius. It is very old.
5.27 is the current version Debian is on.
And I’ve run KDE Plasma on a lot of hardware, a lot of it very old, and it’s been fine, if with slightly slow loading times (I daily drove that single-core potato I mentioned for about a year on Plasma).
I’m very sorry it felt sluggish for you but that’s likely down to your specific hardware configuration, drivers, GPU vendor + display server combo, etc. Plasma is not that bad for most people. You just got unlucky.
EDIT: Actually, if you actually somehow installed 5.6 on modern Debian with modern Qt frameworks etc, that could be why it was so slow. Could have been a fucked install.
I’m very sorry it felt sluggish for you but that’s likely down to your specific hardware configuration, drivers, GPU vendor + display server combo, etc.
I did not know that the most popular laptop CPU for many years, i5-7200U, with no GPU, is a rare combination of hardware, specific drivers, GPU (lol) vendor, display server (ThinkPad standard 766p LCD) is such a problematic configuration for KDE. You are just a KDE fanboy.
Also I installed Debian 12 Bookworm last July. It installs KDE Plasma 5.27 from the installer. KDE 6 never released until last winters, thereby making KDE itself ancient. Also, it was KDE 5.27, not 5.6. So my mistake there. KDE was far newer than I thought, still it could not support a mere common CPU laptop. I have no clue about their release nomenclature, because GNOME is easy, 40, 41, 42…
An integrated GPU isn’t great, but it should run alright still. I think I disabled the dedicated GPU on the Thinkpad I was running and it still ran smoothly.
I don’t know what your circumstances were with your specific laptop, but to paint KDE as, well, shit, just because it ran badly when you tried it is not cool. Especially in the face of other people who have had fine performance on the slowest of potatoes.
Maybe your CPU’s iGPU is a poor bin, maybe you ran up against a bug in something which fucked performance, maybe your HDD was failing or just slow (if it was mechanical), who knows? Point is your one laptop is not representative of all laptops.
Display server = Xorg/Wayland, not the monitor…
Is there any particular reason you felt the need to resort to insults? I like KDE for a reason, because it does what I want and it runs well. I’m not blindly devoted to it like it’s some kind of religion. Hell, I actually prefer GTK as a library over Qt due to it’s C-based nature and I used to daily drive Cinnamon, then MATE.
KDE release nomenclature is also easy. Higher number = newer.
I… know the Plasma 6 release is new? Why is that relevant? We’re both talking about Plasma 5, and Plasma 6 is basically just mega-improved Plasma 5 anyways.
You know what, if you want, tomorrow I’ll get you a video of Plasma running on my single core 1GHz potato laptop if you like.
My ThinkPad is working extremely well for almost 7 years now, and currently mass downloading files using JDownloader Flatpak on Debian 12 GNOME.
It works with every DE, but KDE eats my CPU alive at 70%, and without compositor and eyecandy, 15% idle. XFCE and LXQt had 0.5% CPU idle, and GNOME stays around 0.5-1% idle. Heck, even my 13 year old dinosaur desktop with 2nd gen i3 works perfectly with Debian 12 GNOME, exact same setup.
Maybe, maybe KDE is at fault?
Look, I wrote a Linux/Windows computing guide. I consider myself stupid, but I am not THAT stupid. https://lemmy.ml/post/511377
I called you a fanboy because you cannot fathom how poor KDE performance can be. 7200U is a modern laptop CPU, and one of the most famous CPUs ever to be used by masses, so the optimisation argument for it and its iGPU Intel HD 620 goes out of the window.
Uh huh. No fanboying on your part at all. Projection?
Once again, I will send you a video later today of KDE plasma running on my 1GHz single core potato (a much slower CPU than yours) to prove that Plasma can perform. Hey, maybe I’ll also run GNOME on it for you for comparison purposes. Note that I don’t inherently have a problem with GNOME, as I don’t have the mentality that “KDE is for KGrownups”.
Because I feel like with childish statements like the one above, you’re not exactly being 100% truthful. But I can back up my argument with evidence.
Uh huh. No fanboying on your part at all. Projection?
No, just facts over feelings. GNOME is widely regarded as far more professional than KDE, and the polished end result shows everytime. GNOME2 was peak Linux back in the day, and now GNOME 40+ is peak Linux if you actually want to get work done and have a simple interface with the best workflow.
Because I feel like with childish statements like the one above, you’re not exactly being 100% truthful. But I can back up my argument with evidence.
This comment section, as well as on Reddit and other “community” places like 4chan are filled with toxic KDE fanboys shitting on GNOME, while GNOME users never say anything. KDE deserves to be shat on for being an unprofessional hacky mess, because GNOME has proven its might time and time again in that regard.
Also I tested multiple DEs last year, so I know I am not lying. Maybe you missed that guide there. KDE runs like crap on most machines. GNOME is just too well optimised with all the eyecandy.
I do not need you to benchmark those for me, because I did it for myself thoroughly, and have enough experience to teach both Linux and Windows users how to do computing. Maybe do not try to teach a teacher?
No, KDE Plasma 5.6 or 5.3 (5.27, my bad, edit) I think (whatever was before 6 launched) , tested last year on a fresh Debian 12 Stable install. It had GARBAGE performance. Turning off compositor and all animations made a massive difference, but it made KDE look and feel almost worse than LXQt.
XFCE looked a lot better while having screaming fast performance, compared to a neutered KDE.
Mind you, this is not a toaster machine. This is i5-7200U ThinkPad with 12 GB RAM. GNOME, XFCE and LXQt run extremely fast on it. And fresh installation with nothing else added.
KDE is not simple. Powerful? Absolutely. It has extreme customisation but for people who want to use computer as a tool to get the job done, it acts as a minus point. GNOME has less customisability and is restricted, but gains advantage with stability and feature minimalism. GNOME is a bit like stock Android with extensions acting like OEM features, whereas KDE is like a full blown custom ROM where you need to setup everything, and is just a hassle.
5.3 and 5.6 are both ancient :/
I’ve been running KDE for years.
On a:
Thinkpad T400 (2009, 2.3GHz dual core)
Toshiba Satellite (2009, 1.2(?)GHz single core)
HP Pavilion (unknown year, model, clock speed)
Framework 13 (2020, 4.9GHz hexa core)
AMD A10-7700K desktop (3.4GHz quad core)
AMD Ryzen 3 2200G (3.6GHZ quad core)
With the compositor enabled.
These all ran it smoothly. The only slow part was the loading on some of these machines.
And KDE is absolutely usable by default, it resembles a Windows desktop.
KDE Plasma 5.6 is not ancient by any standards. Plasma 6 is the current iteration, and 5.6 existed when Debian 12 launched last July. If it did not work on 7200U, it will not work well. Other DEs worked perfectly, so KDE is at fault.
Edit: well it seems I was misremembering. Debian 12 provides KDE 5.27 version. I used that. I do not know their version number system.
KDE Plasma 5.6 is from 2016, genius. It is very old.
5.27 is the current version Debian is on.
And I’ve run KDE Plasma on a lot of hardware, a lot of it very old, and it’s been fine, if with slightly slow loading times (I daily drove that single-core potato I mentioned for about a year on Plasma).
I’m very sorry it felt sluggish for you but that’s likely down to your specific hardware configuration, drivers, GPU vendor + display server combo, etc. Plasma is not that bad for most people. You just got unlucky.
EDIT: Actually, if you actually somehow installed 5.6 on modern Debian with modern Qt frameworks etc, that could be why it was so slow. Could have been a fucked install.
I did not know that the most popular laptop CPU for many years, i5-7200U, with no GPU, is a rare combination of hardware, specific drivers, GPU (lol) vendor, display server (ThinkPad standard 766p LCD) is such a problematic configuration for KDE. You are just a KDE fanboy.
Also I installed Debian 12 Bookworm last July. It installs KDE Plasma 5.27 from the installer. KDE 6 never released until last winters, thereby making KDE itself ancient. Also, it was KDE 5.27, not 5.6. So my mistake there. KDE was far newer than I thought, still it could not support a mere common CPU laptop. I have no clue about their release nomenclature, because GNOME is easy, 40, 41, 42…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onPUaAKoGIM
KDE 6 release is very recent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1_NpFtNtPk
An integrated GPU isn’t great, but it should run alright still. I think I disabled the dedicated GPU on the Thinkpad I was running and it still ran smoothly.
I don’t know what your circumstances were with your specific laptop, but to paint KDE as, well, shit, just because it ran badly when you tried it is not cool. Especially in the face of other people who have had fine performance on the slowest of potatoes.
Maybe your CPU’s iGPU is a poor bin, maybe you ran up against a bug in something which fucked performance, maybe your HDD was failing or just slow (if it was mechanical), who knows? Point is your one laptop is not representative of all laptops.
Display server = Xorg/Wayland, not the monitor…
Is there any particular reason you felt the need to resort to insults? I like KDE for a reason, because it does what I want and it runs well. I’m not blindly devoted to it like it’s some kind of religion. Hell, I actually prefer GTK as a library over Qt due to it’s C-based nature and I used to daily drive Cinnamon, then MATE.
KDE release nomenclature is also easy. Higher number = newer.
I… know the Plasma 6 release is new? Why is that relevant? We’re both talking about Plasma 5, and Plasma 6 is basically just mega-improved Plasma 5 anyways.
You know what, if you want, tomorrow I’ll get you a video of Plasma running on my single core 1GHz potato laptop if you like.
My ThinkPad is working extremely well for almost 7 years now, and currently mass downloading files using JDownloader Flatpak on Debian 12 GNOME.
It works with every DE, but KDE eats my CPU alive at 70%, and without compositor and eyecandy, 15% idle. XFCE and LXQt had 0.5% CPU idle, and GNOME stays around 0.5-1% idle. Heck, even my 13 year old dinosaur desktop with 2nd gen i3 works perfectly with Debian 12 GNOME, exact same setup.
Maybe, maybe KDE is at fault?
Look, I wrote a Linux/Windows computing guide. I consider myself stupid, but I am not THAT stupid. https://lemmy.ml/post/511377
I called you a fanboy because you cannot fathom how poor KDE performance can be. 7200U is a modern laptop CPU, and one of the most famous CPUs ever to be used by masses, so the optimisation argument for it and its iGPU Intel HD 620 goes out of the window.
Uh huh. No fanboying on your part at all. Projection?
Once again, I will send you a video later today of KDE plasma running on my 1GHz single core potato (a much slower CPU than yours) to prove that Plasma can perform. Hey, maybe I’ll also run GNOME on it for you for comparison purposes. Note that I don’t inherently have a problem with GNOME, as I don’t have the mentality that “KDE is for KGrownups”.
Because I feel like with childish statements like the one above, you’re not exactly being 100% truthful. But I can back up my argument with evidence.
No, just facts over feelings. GNOME is widely regarded as far more professional than KDE, and the polished end result shows everytime. GNOME2 was peak Linux back in the day, and now GNOME 40+ is peak Linux if you actually want to get work done and have a simple interface with the best workflow.
This comment section, as well as on Reddit and other “community” places like 4chan are filled with toxic KDE fanboys shitting on GNOME, while GNOME users never say anything. KDE deserves to be shat on for being an unprofessional hacky mess, because GNOME has proven its might time and time again in that regard.
Also I tested multiple DEs last year, so I know I am not lying. Maybe you missed that guide there. KDE runs like crap on most machines. GNOME is just too well optimised with all the eyecandy.
I do not need you to benchmark those for me, because I did it for myself thoroughly, and have enough experience to teach both Linux and Windows users how to do computing. Maybe do not try to teach a teacher?
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