At a military base that now doubles as a detention center in Israel’s Negev desert, an Israeli working at the facility snapped two photographs of a scene that he says continues to haunt him.
Do you have any sources to back that claim up? A lot of his recent journalism heavily points in the opposite direction.
From the start of this conflict, he has been heavily covering this conflict and Israel’s atrocities and condemning Israel and all those complicit in facilitating this genocide. He has played an insturmental part in informing a sizeable audience of this genocide. I may not agree with all his stances, but that is no reasoj to decry him, especially when he has given me no reason not to believe and all the reason to believe that he is genuinely full of what we commonly refer to as “humanity”.
He regularly spreads American/western propaganda such as the now thoroughly discredited “Uighur Genocide”. He attacked Jeremy Corbyn with all the right wing a while back. He will always oppose real progress and just play to the crowd on easy issues like identity politics or an actual genocide. He’s just Paul Mason lite.
He will never take a principled stance on things that risk his profile. He’s an opportunistic fraud.
. . . propaganda such as the now thoroughly discredited “Uighur Genocide"
Is it now?
So the internment camps don’t exist? Children being forcibly separated from their parents to be sent to boarding schools, arbitrary detentions, mosques being stripped of cultural architecture of not outright destoyed, none of these exist?
The refugees I have met, they must have all been liars too–not even an ounce of truth.
Get the fuck out of here. Just because someone is an enemy of an enemy, that does not make them a friend. United States, France, Germany, Saudi Arabia, Iran, China. . . they are all run by tyrants; they are all oppressors; they are all corrupt.
He attacked Jeremy Corbyn with all the right wing a while back.
Yes. It’s all bullshit. The word genocide doesn’t appear in that document once. Not a single time. The word “may” appears 50 times. The sources include American funded orgs who can’t be trusted to tell you the colour of the sky and who are currently engaged in an active and ongoing, actual, real genocide.
So the internment camps don’t exist?
No. There are no internment camps. The UN didn’t even claim this. There were schools were people were trained and educated because that’s the best response to the American terrorist ideologies they’d been propagandised with. It has been the most successful anti-terrorism programme in recorded history.
Children being forcibly separated from their parents to be sent to boarding schools,
Never happened.
arbitrary detentions,
Possible. But there’s no credible evidence anyway.
mosques being stripped of cultural architecture of not outright destoyed,
Xinjiang has the highest concentration of mosques in the world.
none of these exist?
That’s right. I have a lot more information if you’re interested?
Have you ever heard of Adrian Zenz?
I’m not going to bother reading Jones’ tripe. I’m very familiar with his poison.
If someone does not have unwavering unconditional support and backing for another, that makes them not-principled?
No but Jones will always cosplay as being on the left and suddenly find reasons to oppose anything that threatens real progress. There are many like him. Novara Media are all like this too.
The sources include American funded orgs who can’t be trusted to tell you the colour of the sky and who are currently engaged in an active and ongoing, actual, real genocide.
The sources include western sources, but they are not limited to. Also, I have seen similar arguments when people would try to downplay Israel’s atrocities towards Palestinians. Both on the source front (Qatar-run Al Jazeera) and on the semantics of both the usage and meaning of genocide.
No. There are no internment camps. The UN didn’t even claim this. There were schools were people were trained and educated because that’s the best response to the American terrorist ideologies they’d been propagandised with. It has been the most successful anti-terrorism programme in recorded history.
Right right, “Re-education” camps. Making callbacks both to what the US did to the Japanese (and other Asians) back in 1942 and the War on Terror starting from 2001. No similarities here! Not. A. Single. One.
Adrian Zenz
Zenz is not the first one to introduce the idea that the Uyghurs are being oppressed, nor does his character have an impact on what is and isn’t real. With that said, what I see against Adrian Zenz is very reminiscent of the smear campaigns against academics/activists/spoke-persons that are at odds, oppose, or threaten the entity in power. The purpose of which is to discredit the person in question so that people look past what they say and the evidence they present.
I’m not going to bother reading Jones’ tripe. I’m very familiar with his poison.
I am sure you are.
I have a lot more information if you’re interested?
Please do. Send me yours, and I will send you mine. Seeing widespread denial of the oppression against Uyghurs by leftists is actually quite a shock to me, so I am interested in what is being said, what is being presented. I am going to be brutally honest though, from what I have read and watched thus far, from you, from others, I am seeing Americans just by a different name. Whether it be denial or justification, the beats are all the same.
Political activist, Imperialist Supremacist Propagandist, Owen Jones…Do you have any sources to back that claim up? A lot of his recent journalism heavily points in the opposite direction.
From the start of this conflict, he has been heavily covering this conflict and Israel’s atrocities and condemning Israel and all those complicit in facilitating this genocide. He has played an insturmental part in informing a sizeable audience of this genocide. I may not agree with all his stances, but that is no reasoj to decry him, especially when he has given me no reason not to believe and all the reason to believe that he is genuinely full of what we commonly refer to as “humanity”.
He regularly spreads American/western propaganda such as the now thoroughly discredited “Uighur Genocide”. He attacked Jeremy Corbyn with all the right wing a while back. He will always oppose real progress and just play to the crowd on easy issues like identity politics or an actual genocide. He’s just Paul Mason lite.
He will never take a principled stance on things that risk his profile. He’s an opportunistic fraud.
Still no sources.
So the internment camps don’t exist? Children being forcibly separated from their parents to be sent to boarding schools, arbitrary detentions, mosques being stripped of cultural architecture of not outright destoyed, none of these exist?
This article and all its sources covering the atrocities against Ughyur women is fake too?
The refugees I have met, they must have all been liars too–not even an ounce of truth.
Get the fuck out of here. Just because someone is an enemy of an enemy, that does not make them a friend. United States, France, Germany, Saudi Arabia, Iran, China. . . they are all run by tyrants; they are all oppressors; they are all corrupt.
Are you talking about this?
If someone does not have unwavering unconditional support and backing for another, that makes them not-principled?
Hmm. . .
What you should know about China’s minority Uighurs
China’s Concentration Camps For Uyghurs: In China’s Own Words
Yes. It’s all bullshit. The word genocide doesn’t appear in that document once. Not a single time. The word “may” appears 50 times. The sources include American funded orgs who can’t be trusted to tell you the colour of the sky and who are currently engaged in an active and ongoing, actual, real genocide.
No. There are no internment camps. The UN didn’t even claim this. There were schools were people were trained and educated because that’s the best response to the American terrorist ideologies they’d been propagandised with. It has been the most successful anti-terrorism programme in recorded history.
Never happened.
Possible. But there’s no credible evidence anyway.
Xinjiang has the highest concentration of mosques in the world.
That’s right. I have a lot more information if you’re interested?
Have you ever heard of Adrian Zenz?
I’m not going to bother reading Jones’ tripe. I’m very familiar with his poison.
No but Jones will always cosplay as being on the left and suddenly find reasons to oppose anything that threatens real progress. There are many like him. Novara Media are all like this too.
The sources include western sources, but they are not limited to. Also, I have seen similar arguments when people would try to downplay Israel’s atrocities towards Palestinians. Both on the source front (Qatar-run Al Jazeera) and on the semantics of both the usage and meaning of genocide.
Right right, “Re-education” camps. Making callbacks both to what the US did to the Japanese (and other Asians) back in 1942 and the War on Terror starting from 2001. No similarities here! Not. A. Single. One.
Zenz is not the first one to introduce the idea that the Uyghurs are being oppressed, nor does his character have an impact on what is and isn’t real. With that said, what I see against Adrian Zenz is very reminiscent of the smear campaigns against academics/activists/spoke-persons that are at odds, oppose, or threaten the entity in power. The purpose of which is to discredit the person in question so that people look past what they say and the evidence they present.
Please do. Send me yours, and I will send you mine. Seeing widespread denial of the oppression against Uyghurs by leftists is actually quite a shock to me, so I am interested in what is being said, what is being presented. I am going to be brutally honest though, from what I have read and watched thus far, from you, from others, I am seeing Americans just by a different name. Whether it be denial or justification, the beats are all the same.
April 19, 2021: “Break Their Lineage, Break Their Roots”- China’s Crimes against Humanity Targeting Uyghurs and Other Turkic Muslims
May 14 2021: The faux anti-imperialism of denying anti-Uighur atrocities
May 24 2022: Xinjiang leak reveals extent of Chinese abuses in Uighur camps
September 1 2022: Potential ‘crimes against humanity’ in China’s Xinjiang, UN says