• TheFonz@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Ok, so if Hamas kills more people that automatically makes Israel’s actions justified?

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        6 months ago

        Is there any war-ever in history- that didn’t involve civilian casualties? Any?

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            6 months ago

            In war, you are allowed to kill innocents if necessary to achieve a valid military objective.

            In this war, the IDF’s objective is to destroy Hamas.

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              6 months ago

              “Allowed” by whom? “Necessary” by whose metric?

              If their objective is to destroy Hamas and they determine that the only way to do that is wipe out the Palestinian people from the face of the Earth, you’re saying that’s justified because it’s their necessary military objective?

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                6 months ago

                Allowed by international law.

                Necessary according to their military capabilities, which can be judged by observers.

                Most observers don’t think destroying Hamas requires wiping out all Palestinians, but at the same time it’s impossible to destroy Hamas without civilian casualties.

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                  6 months ago

                  Okay, well observers are saying Israel is committing genocide, so I’m not sure what your issue is.

                  Also, I’m not sure why you think what is legal is the same as what is moral.

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                    6 months ago

                    Legal isn’t the same as moral, but there is no consensus on the morality of war. Some people are pacifists and believe all war is immoral. Most people believe war is justified if it has a legitimate casus belli.

                    Whether or not Israel is committing genocide is a separate question from whether a military action is morally permissible, because genocide involves actions with no military purpose. In other words it’s possible that strikes like these are morally permissible even if a government is also doing things that are illegal, like blocking aid delivery.