At least 274 Palestinians were killed and 698 wounded in Israeli strikes on the Nuseirat refugee camp in central Gaza, Gaza’s health ministry said on Sunday. The Israeli military said its forces came under heavy fire during the daytime operation.

The EU’s top diplomat, Josep Borrell, called it a “massacre”, while the UN’s aid chief described in graphic detail scenes of “shredded bodies on the ground”.

“Nuseirat refugee camp is the epicentre of the seismic trauma that civilians in Gaza continue to suffer,” Martin Griffiths said in a post on X, calling for a ceasefire and the release of all hostages.

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    This is a ridiculous take. They didn’t come under heavy fire because they didn’t take heavy losses? It’s their very heavy response to the heavy fire that minimized their losses while taking a high toll on Palestinian civilians and militants.

    Do you think the hostages were unguarded and free to leave at any time because Israel said otherwise?

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      Right, right… and Auschwitz wasn’t a death camp - it was a pitched battle between a small group of heroic Nazis and overwhelming Jewish forces. Their clever use of Zyklon-B ensured the Nazi heroes didn’t suffer heavy casualties.

      /s for all the shitlibs that can’t smell all the hasbara stinking up this community.

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        Hamas fighters are like naked concentration camp victims going into the gas chamber. They just have toy guns. You can tell from the bright orange caps on the barrels.

        /s for the completely delusional

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          It’s really sad when hasbara goes off-script - I hope they paid you extra for the attempt, though.

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            Ridiculous take. I never said Israel was right or justified for the level of carnage they caused.

            What is with the script that there are only victims on the Palestinian side? There were no gunmen, only unarmed civilians. The hostages were just visiting friends in Gaza and are demanding to be allowed to return. Who writes this stuff, and why do so many here seem to buy into it?

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      Do you think that Israeli forces are indiscriminately bombing and shooting Palestinian civilians to the tune of almost 1000 killed or injured?

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        Indiscriminately? No. Without adequate or acceptable levels of discrimination? Absolutely.

        That’s not what I was responding to, though. I was responding to your writing that the Israelis lied about coming under heavy fire because they didn’t take heavy losses. The IDF has been known to lie, but that doesn’t make everything they say a lie. And your rationale for saying it was untrue makes no sense.

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          It makes everything they say extremely untrustworthy.

          So how many KIA do they have then?

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            1 by the way.

            But I dont understand why is it even a measure. You expected probably best commando unit in the world specifically trained for this type of rescues to get heavy losses?

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              Best in the world? A world that also has, (checks notes) SFOD, SEALs, SAS, and whatever the CIA is cooking these days.

              All of whom would have taken more than one casualty in intense urban fighting. And have done so in the past. Something doesn’t add up here.

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              I expect the “best commando unit” (your propaganda words) to have a lower death toll.

              The fact one of them was killed means the fighting probably wasn’t intense enough to warrant that level of violence.

              Fuck Israel and their indiscriminate killing

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                    Its sad indeed. But why oh why in the holy fuck are the hostages held in places with so many kids and civilians. Heck why oh why are there hostages at all??

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          Bombing of Nuseirat’s busy market area began soon after the raid started at around 11am (9am BST), turning the neighbourhood into “smoke and flames”, Muhannad Thabet, a 35-year-old resident, told AFP.

          “People were screaming – young and old, women and men,” he said. “Everyone wanted to flee the place, but the bombing was intense and anyone who moved was at risk of being killed due to the heavy bombardment and gunfire.”

          At least one wave of heavy airstrikes was launched to secure the passage of the three men, who had been held together. Argamani was rescued alone, from a separate location.

          Not. Discriminate. Enough.

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      Yes. It’s an unfortunate truth of military operations. But finding the enemy usually requires taking casualties. Not taking casualties and claiming you were under heavy fire gets the dirty eye. Cause nearly a thousand casualties and it demands a war crimes investigation.