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Star Trek fans have held the national stereotype of being way too rabid about things for decades but they’re probably the nicest fan base in all of science fiction and the one least likely to have a large faction of them absolutely lose it over a torpedo being fired by a woman or dumb shit like that

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    anyone that tries to say star trek has “gone woke” or some stupid shit like that clearly isn’t a fan of it and just trying to rile up stuff. I mean come on… how can someone say that and have watched the shows LOL

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      Yeah, its not like Star Trek suddenly went woke, its been woke. First ever TV kiss between mixed races was between Kirk and Uhura. Scandalous.

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        And they’re not even that woke. Afaik they still ocasionally eat animals in the 24th century. (Unless they’re Vulcan.) Watch The Orville if you want some proper progressive shit 😆

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          They have food replicators. The only thing not vegan about replicated meat is that they’d probably use your poop as bulk material to synthesize stuff

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            Pretty ure I saw Riker cooking with eggs at some point. And who knows what neelix gets up to in the galley

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                poop meat.

                Knowing how chemicals and carbon compounds are recycled in Earth’s ecosystem and taking into account factory farming, I would wager the line between poop to serving of hot steak is much a much less connected line on a ship that turns matter into its constituent energy patterns.

                Meanwhile on Earth we routinely have meat recalls because of e-coli contamination. Which is poop. As well as what we use to fertilize our root vegetables. Everyone is eating poop to some degree, it just becomes a problem when enough of it is in one spot to become contamination.

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                  The replicators are also used to “recycle”, converting matter into energy, to be used for future replication.

                  I doubt they were hauling poop through space rather than converting it to poop energy for their next earl grey.

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              True! Forgot about that. I think voyager had a few episodes with hunted game of some sort. The Klingons in general too. Guess actually trek isn’t super big on veganism haha

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            Yeah they have. But don’t they go on to tell in several episodes of all of the shows, how someones mom makes/made the best X/Y out of real ingredients and how much better that tastes than replicated food? And they eat on some planets with other people or on vacation… ?! Or someone worked in a restaurant?

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            I don’t think the Star Trek replicator use raw materials to produce stuff. I’m pretty sure it’s just energy converted into matter.

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          Watch The Orville if you want some proper progressive shit 😆

          You mean like “agree to date me or else I’ll date the younger clone of you?”

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            No, no, more like “I’m going to fly a shuttle outside your quarters so I can spy on you during your date”

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            You didn’t actually watch that ep, didja? Several tells there lol

            (Honestly if you wanted fucking problematic Gordon was right there)

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      I mean compared to TOS it’s gotten woke, but TOS was like extremely woke for the 60s

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      Right now it’s the modern entitled version of woke. Not the philosophical exploratory woke.

      Modern Trek tells you off for thinking differently while old Trek set an example to aspire to.

      And that’s only in the few limited moments NuTrek a actually bothers spending time on making an opinion, as most of it is cheaply written shlock to squeeze as much as possible out of underpaid VFX artists.

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        Releasing Let That Be Your Last Battlefield at the height of the civil rights movement wasn’t some hypothetical philosophizing. That was pointed condemnation. Same with The Outcast’s attack on conversion therapy, or In The Hands of the Prophets’ take on religious dogmatism.

        Star Trek has always been happy to condemn bad ideas. If you think it’s just started telling people off now then you haven’t been paying attention.

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          It was 100% philosophy, and leading by example, exactly as I said. It spent the entire episode showing the hypocrisy of the two characters and showed the crew of The Enterprise to be better than their millenia old squabble.

          It wasn’t 30 seconds of emotional finger pointing in between cheap action sci-fi.

          I’ve been paying perfect attention to Star Trek. But it seems like loads of people have simply forgotten how Star Trek got their point across.

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    I have a theory:

    Star Trek fans were some of the earlier cosplayers. Trekkies were wearing Starfleet uniforms and Vulcan ears to conventions decades before the word “cosplay” was a thing. My father has a book called the Starfleet Technical Manual published in the 70’s that is basically an official guide for fans to build screen accurate costumes and props from, including sewing patterns for the various tunics and wrist-length dresses and a page of color swatches, plus dimensional drawings of tricorders, phasers and communicators.

    And the public at large in the 1970s wasn’t ready for that yet.

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        Yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised to learn the ancient Greeks were cosplaying their favorite characters from the Trojan war or something. But the word cosplay is only attested from like 1993 in English and 1983 or so in Japan

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      I have that book! It’s super cool. It’s themed as a document made by the military about information on the Federation that leaked into the past.

      There’s also diagrams of space stations and ships, and small things, like how to properly decorate sleeves and badges for rank and division.

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    Hands up those old enough to remember the shitfest that erupted over Janeway (and/or Sisko)

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      I threw up the horns. It was nuts as a middle school girl, when Voyager first started airing, and everyone was so angry about Janeway and when I’d ask why they would turn red and shake their head, or change the topic.

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        The good old days, when sexist, racist, homophobes at least kept their mouths shut… Now they’d give you a speech about how she should be in the galley :(

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      It’s true. It’s not been a totally smooth ride. It’s taken work to educate fellow fans, and making the intolerant unwelcome.

      Like there was early “controversy” about Geordie getting to be on the bridge. Which seemed kind of logical, but if you scratched below the surface you’d see how selective that critique was. That it was just racism and ableism

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      I remember a comment saying that Tuvok was so anal his skin is brown on Usenet in 1995. Some things never change.

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        Head cannon is that 1/3 of voyager is taken up by a massive shuttle manufactory. It’s never discussed but it must be there…Otherwise, none of this shit makes any sense.😬

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          The lower decks should have done a joke about the three ensigns on Voyager who did nothing except build shuttles the entire seven years.

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          They could do it in the shuttle bay, they wouldn’t need much more space than a finished shuttle takes up. We know they have shipboard replimats for larger things, I figure replicating and building standard shuttle models on long voyages has standardized procedures and steps like Lego instructions. You only need to replicate one piece at a time saving on space. Gotta replace your shuttles somehow on those 5 years missions and the nearest Starbase is months away.

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            Yeah, if designing and building the Delta Flyer only took one episode, I think it’s pretty safe to assume that making more shuttles is easy and boring, and that’s why we don’t see it. Voyager was cutting edge when she was lost too

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        I was always sad they never explored that sort of thing in an episode, didn’t have to be as big as the Delta Flyer but still!

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    The Discworld fandom is another one you can’t be in if you’re an asshole because you clearly didn’t understand the source material.

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      Maybe the recent controversy from Warhammer 40k where Games Workshop retconned women space marines into existence? I dunno, did Star Wars do something to trigger the sexists since then, that controversy is a few weeks old now.

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        Female adeptes custodes not Space marines. Makes little difference in the large picture but it’s possible within the lore to have female custodians as they’re all humans picked at birth and genetically altered/enhanced individually to make the best soldier they could ever be. GW just didn’t mention females being in that order for 30 years apparently lol

        Space marines are all male though, have been explicitly stated as being all male repeatedly and even recently with lore backing of the some of the organ implants and genetic modification templates only work on males since they’re based off the primarchs who were all male as sons of the emperor of mankind.

        I’ll end with saying that GW has done great with inclusion in recent years, even explicitly telling Nazis to go find another hobby if they don’t like that GW is making warhammer and warhammer 40k for everyone, of all races, genders, and religions. They’ve always had racial representation and some manner of gender representation in the guard and eldar but now they’re expanding and I’m all for it. I have no issues with any of it so long as GW doesn’t just say ignore the last ~40 years of established lore and even recent lore issuances because we would like to sell more models.

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      I took it as a (mistaken) reference to the scene in The Last Jedi when Vice Admiral Holdo (Laura Dern) rams into a star destroyer in hyperspace, a maneuver which destroyed both ships and made people wonder why they didn’t just hyperspace into shit all the time instead of building warships and getting shot all the time.

      It happened in the same point in the movie when she refuses multiple times to say that she has any plan whatsoever, leading to a lot of pointless fighting and was thought to have been some sort of commentary on “believing women” but very poorly executed.

      Disney spent billions to destroy the Star Wars canon, but hopefully Trek can escape such a grisly fate.

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        In fairness, that scene with the destroyers was fucking awesome. Fuck the canon, it looked cool as fuck.

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      Because the first series didn’t age well :( although I loved it at 10… And the second was (controversial opinion incoming) too much of a soap opera for me.

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        The writers and showrunners blatantly not having a clue where the plot was going was a bigger problem for me than the soapiness.

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          It’s weird how the show just vanished. Even without all the sequels and prequels Star Wars would still have been endlessly referenced for decades after the 2nd movie. BSG is the cultural equivalent of a night of heavy drinking.

          I remember binge watching it. I remember talking to people about it but nothing this past decade

          • VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world
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            Even without all the sequels and prequels Star Wars would still have been endlessly referenced for decades after the 2nd movie.

            Not necessarily. Being able to stick the landing is hugely important for a series’ legacy. Game of Thrones disappeared from conversation after its disastrous final season, but would probably be fondly remembered if it had been suddenly cancelled after season five. If ROTJ had been a similar dumpster fire, Star Wars might have gone the same way.

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            Notice how basically no one ever mentions Lost or Game of Thrones anymore?

            These shows were HUGE during their time. “This is AMAZING. Television has never been like this before. You can’t be an adult in society if you haven’t seen last night’s episode because if you say you don’t watch this show the conversation will immediately end.” soon “What the fuck was that ending? The last season turned to shit! Never mention this shit to me again.”

            It’s like VindictiveJudge says, these shows are designed to feel like they’re going places but never actually get there. The writers of Lost put shit in that they thought looked intriguing but they hadn’t thought of any way to resolve it into something. “What do the numbers mean?!” Nothing! Absolutely nothing!

            Those shows are built like big epic stories, they’re not Star Trek type adventure of the week that returns to the status quo, and yet they’re not designed to resolve. Of course you’re going to leave unsatisfied.

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        The second seemed like an asset rip to me. It wasn’t bad per se, it just wasn’t Battlestar Galactica.

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      The original old show? It’s meh okay 70’s sci-fi TV. Not into the kid and his robot dog or whatever.

      The 2000s remake? It’s basically what cured my television habit. I was never really into the “gritty realistic” heartburn drama shit anyway, so I gave up on the show itself pretty early, then spent the rest of my time as an SG-1 fan having Katee Sackhoff scream in anguish at me during every single commercial break for years on end. Then every TV show made from then on had to be a dark and brooding show about terrible people being terrible to each other and then I stopped watching TV.

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    Completely agree.

    If I would ever be in desperate need of help it would instantly comfort me to see a trekkie or a metalhead. The average wholesomeness is ridiculously high.

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      It still bugs me that they make a big deal about how few resources they have and then fire so many torpedoes and lose so many shuttles. I would have loved to have seen them pick up some locally sourced equipment.

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        Honestly, my thought was always just that they could replicate equipment and components as needed but it was a power intensive process.

        There is a whole episode of Voyager where they land the ship to do repairs on it, and I just figure that happens more than we’re shown.

        I agree though, I would have preferred Voyager to have all crazy Borg shit forever. Would have been sick to have all this jury-rigged bullshit, almost like how DS9 is totally fucked.

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          They also designed and built a custom shuttle, but iirc it was an open question as to whether or not the ship’s larger replicators could handle it, which implies they left with all the shuttles they lost and the Delta Flyer was the first they made.