All that hand wringing over what kind of protest should be ok, you guys are exhausting. The kind of protest doesn’t make a difference at all. A lot of people will say it’s unacceptable no matter what. I’ll even admit sometimes a protest misses the mark, but I’m still glad they did it.
The kids are alright
My only opinion is that if the protest dosen’t hurt the owner class, then it’s not going to do anything anyway.
Any protest is better than complaining or arguing on the internet. I’ll let the tactics to the actual people doing their actions. Nothing but encouragement from me 👍
The protest isn’t intended to hurt the owner class. The protest is intended to draw attention to the issue. We’re talking about it therefore it’s an effective form of protest.
Without protests like this we go about our lives worrying about bills and ignore the literal apocalyptic catastrophe we’re nose-diving into.
How would your reaction have been if it wasn’t a cultural artifact creating by Europeans? Say they did it at Native American site or Aboriginal?
it wasn’t, though.
Perhaps if you could name the site, the protestes, the cause and the method we could go “Yeah that would be much/slightly better/worse” but I don’t think we’d get much more out of it than that.
Don’t waste energy categorizing right or wrong ways to protest. All this is a distraction from the actual issues.
Agreed. The more we argue about the “how” of the protests, the more we’re distracted from what they’re actually protesting about. The most effective way of stopping people complaining about something isn’t to shut them up, but to fix the thing.
If someone’s poor and can’t afford to buy food, no amount of fines or jail time will prevent them from going back to stealing food the second they get out because - guess what - they’re still fucking poor. There’s a food bank near where I lived a while ago that notoriously had long lines. Slowly shuffling forward in a queue that screams “I’m poor” must be uncomfortable, but they’re still not stealing food while they have an alternative.
If you want people to stop vandalising shit in their outrage over exploitation and greed, fucking do something about the exploitation and greed. I’m sure those people could have thought of more pleasant ways to spend their time than creating their cornflour pigment, driving out there and getting arrested to make a point without leaving lasting damage.
Don’t tell me what to do.
I wasn’t really, only in a rhetorical sense. You’re kinda being a dick about it, tho. Are you on a mission to be the most downvoted commenter or something? Don’t let me get in your way.
Pretty sure this guy just runs around Lemmy trying to stir things up. I had a run-in with him recently that was needless contentious and I’m not surprised to see him doing the same thing here
That’s what I thought, yeah. Some people…
If it’s as non-destructive as the rest of their protests, then I’d have nothing against it
As a european, i dont give a shit. As a german, they could have blown up the brandenburg gate for all i care
Gotcha. So now we know the answer.
It depends. I think that protest goes to far, if it really damages a building. Since this didn’t its all right.
Oh, poor building, poor monuments, poor rocks. If only we have any way to declare our oposition againt bilionaires literally destroying the whole ecosystems, destroying people lives and health. But for fucking sake, the poor, orange painted monument. those damn protesters crossed uncrossable line. I will not support them anymore!
I sure hope no buildings are damaged as society collapses from climate change strain
Any protest that doesn’t physically damage buildings owned by the fossil fuel industry aren’t going far enough
This comment is advocating for property damage
Just Stop Oil said the paint was made of cornstarch and would dissolve in the rain.
Merriman said experts cleaned the orange powder from the stones because they were concerned about how it might react to water.
Might.
So because it could in the future maybe possibly damage it in some unspecified amount, they cleaned it off to be super sure there will be no damage.
So what fucking damage that really happened in the real world are you talking about?
I never talked about damage at Stonehege. I said, that damaging buildings how’s to far. They didn’t damage Stonehenge so its fine.
Gotcha. Given how the post we’re replying to is about Stonehenge, I guess I assumed that’s what you’re talking about
I think it’s a bit unfair they call it just “paint” when it was merely cornstarch that would wash off by itself.
There’s a huge difference in the degree of vandalism if it’s something that wash off by itself.How and what will these crazy activists vandalize next? Shining a flashlight at the pyramids?!
I’m sorry, I think you mean “blasting the pyramids with photons.”
photons traveling at the speed of light too! that’s quite dangerous
stealing the moon
TO RAISE AWARENESS, WE WILL BE TURNING OFF THE SUN TONIGHT AT (checks weather.gov) 8:02PM
First of all, you have no proof that it was I who stole the moon.
Second of all, after I did steal the moon, I put it back.
Disgusting. What monsters! Mountains need darkness, are they trying to make them sleep deprived and angry? That’s how volcanos are made…
This is by design and most people fell for it entirely. Even the second highest content in this thread is carrying water for big oil.
It’s possible. And I think it’s likely. That the activists wanted this exact news cycle, where they falsely report that there is damage, gaining widespread coverage, and drawing attention their way, only for people to later learn that it was temporary and grow to respect the act.
Possibly. I’d imagine the vast majority of people don’t see the followup that there wasn’t damage, here, or the Mona Lisa, or the other events. The goal was outrage coverage for sure, and without causing damage so anyone who actually cares is fine with it. The media will just call it paint, and now that the potential for damage is clear they’ll stop talking about it.
Media uses language like this on purpose, most of their copy comes from single-sources and everyone on every news station is repeating the same rhetoric. They did this with the soup/painting incident as well, making it seem like the protestors ruined priceless artifacts instead of spilling harmless food products on a sheet of plexiglass.
Paint washes off also given enough time.
But Flying Squid said it was irreparably damaged with crack seepage or whatever
I wonder when these protests will turn into actual oil executive assassinations like in Ministry for the Future. We’re already rushing our way into a heat wave mass death event.
Never. That would involve real jail time and they are cowards
My guess is it’s already happening but there’s total media blackout policies around it. If one guy gets assassinated, it’s going to cause so many copycats.
People care more about the old rock placement than the actual air that we breathe today.
Well good! It’d be fucking travesty to permanently damage a world heritage
Yes and climate change, also caused by people, is going to more than damage a whole shitload of world heritage.
I wonder if increased heat or any other manner of fucked up weather patterns could damage Stonehenge?
Oh shit, was it that easy to fix climate change? To vandalize heritage sites was all it took?
It’s clearly not enough.
Well I’d argue it does nothing. In fact, it probably is counter productive, so instead of nothing it does the opposite
Ah yes, it’s holding back the massive sweeping wave of change currently going on to fix climate change.
No, don’t be a dumbass. It’s raising awareness, because it’s obvious nobody is giving a shit about this really fucking massive problem that is directly on our doorstep. Painting Stonehenge isn’t going to accomplish anything except be a nuisance, but being a nuisance is how you compel people to get shit done non-violently. MLK and his sit-ins pushed civil rights forward by being a nuisance. Gandhi pushed Britain out of India by being a nuisance. If you accept the status quo, the status quo will remain. You have to get out and make noise and attract a following if you want the folks in charge to pay attention to your existence.
Trust me, you want them painting on Stonehenge for attention. This is the non-violent option. When this is ignored long enough, the non-violent option will be shelved and that’s when people will suddenly start paying attention.
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.” - John F. Kennedy, 1962
You would accomplish much more by voting and getting two people under 30 years old to do the same.
Also I missed the part of the civil rights movement where they blocked ambulances and threw paint on stone hedge.
Demolising heritage is what IS did in the levant…
They’d better paint the Chinese Wall since that country can change alot more than the west.
Just murk an oil exec or two. I care far more about not risking damaging cultural atifacts than some random I dont know.
That’s funny I would have knocked that shit down with a bulldozer
This group’s activism is so tone-deaf that I’m starting to think this is actually the oil companies pretending to be terrible activists.
No matter what the form of protest, you will think it’s tone-deaf because you have been trained to. The oil industry spends a lot of money spamming comments like yours because they know eventually, fools will start parroting it for them.
What’s your reasoning? Do you think it’s ineffective even though it’s made world wide news. Is non destructive play vandalism of old rocks somehow too extreme of a response for the clear destruction of our environment?
It’s hard not to be part of the problem, since over consumption habits are difficulty to get rid of when no else is. I won’t fault you for that. Protests aren’t everyone’s thing, whatever.
At the minimum though, you could just not be a mouthpiece for the ones who are causing said problem. Seriously, like if you’ve ever given a shit about stone hedge before.
No matter what the form of protest, you will think it’s tone-deaf because you have been trained to.
MMmmmmmmmmm No. It’s actually tone-deaf. And assholish. And idiotic. And stupid. And I hate them Sam I Am.
Seriously, they are more damaging to actual protest movements than Big Oil. I’m seconding the astroturfing theory. Their methods are not just ridiculous, they’re offensive on multiple levels, and here’s the part where I disagree with my younger more smartical friends: IT DOES NOT HELP IN ANY WAY. “Oh but it gets the message out there!” And what message would that be? If the message is “stupid idiots deface art or humanity for shiggles” then sure, I’d agree. Otherwise it’s just more headwinds to fight against, a self-own for - well, we don’t really know why other than they think it’s great to be filming themselves.
The message is “we are heading towards complete climate collapse and The Powers That Be are acting like things are fine”.
The message is that people care more about non-damaging vandalism to famous objects than they do about climate change which will cause irreparable damage to many of these same objects, be it through hazardous weather, rising seas, or global conflict.
Not exactly a great message in terms of optics. Usually a bad idea to insult your audience
Well the message is wrong. People care about both. These clods think vandalizing museums is some kind of magical incantation to energize the anti-big-oil . . . what, legislation? Consumer habits?
How did they come to such a conclusion anyway?
Bold move to say “I’m starting to think” then parrot the most repeated comment on the subject
I get the epic of marking climate change as a general human issue by doing stonehenge. Doing, let’s say, the wall street bulls statue or smth in London marking climate change as a capital issue would have been smarter thou
NO you hate protest you’re a shill for the man why don’t you just drink a big barrel of Big Oil you terrible person you
Edit just to be on the safe side: /s
I pissed on all them rocks, y’all gon stop flying private jets now? Don’t make me get some Taco Bell and come back. These people crack me up, like I give two fucks if they destroy historical artifacts and it’s actually going to change my mind about anything.
They sprayed cornstarch on them, both piss and Taco Bell would be far worse. It is just about getting attention to people actually destroying the world, while not destroying anything. It would be cheaper and much easier to buy spray paint than to right cornstarch into a sprayable device… But that would cause damage, which they didn’t want.
But that would cause damage, which they didn’t want.
They blocked ambulances
They blocked ambulances to what? The stones? Feel like I just went /whoosh
Another incident but same group. Maybe instead of going “whoosh” to yourself you can read up on the issue
… So different people, different area and I am supposed to know what incident you are talking about, got it. Care to point to the incident or should we just throw everyone in jail that supports a group that did something wrong? Seems like that would violate a lot of human rights. But if you want to start with a group, let’s start with MAGA, they have promoted how many unconstitutional proposals and acts that went through before federal judges having to turn them down. Throw in the attacks on people… They’d be screwed. Every one of them is guilty of stealing personal information from hospitals, yikes.
The issue here was cornstarch on rocks. You are talking about things further than clouds in the sky
No same people same organization same country. Yes I do expect you to do the slightest amount of research on a group’s character before you start charging in and providing free apologetics for them.
Seems like that would violate a lot of human rights.
I salute your nobel victory over the Strawmen army.
But if you want to start with a group, let’s start with MAGA
Misdirection.
The issue here was cornstarch on rocks. You are talking about things further than clouds in the sky
They blocked ambulances.
So can you show me where these two people blocked ambulances or is your strawmen still feeding your calling out strawmen?
Yes the misdirection calling out your misdirection was indeed misdirection.
“They blocked ambulances”. Evidence these people blocked ambulances or you are guilty of everything you are defending with. It better be these 2 people as well… Or you are slandering those people. : )
Edit: Oh and for the record, I looked it up. It was about 30x farther than the clouds, and not them.
Everyone knows, it’s not a secret. And guess what, nothing changed. I’m going to start putting peace symbols on everything I see and hope it brings awareness to how bad war is 🤣🤣🤣
No, you’ll just jerk off for the third time today and continue to post about how stupid everyone (but you) is
*fifth time You underestimate me once again young Padawan
