One adviser to major Democratic Party donors said they were texting from a meeting of donors in Atlanta on Thursday night, some writing “wtf.”
“Our only hope is that he bows out, we have a brokered convention, or dies,” the donor adviser said. “Otherwise we are fucking dead.”
Oof.
Could you imagine if both of them just suddenly died of natural causes from old age in the same day before the election… like… the power vacuum would be wild.
Ultimately you’re voting for the nominee from a particular party rather than the individual as a person. If one were elected and died before inauguration the party will be able to put someone else in via the electoral college and the same electors. If after Congress counts the votes, then the VP becomes president.
And this is precisely why no Republican should ever be allowed to win an election anywhere. Their whole party has been pro-racism and anti-democracy since they ran Goldwater on an anti-civil rights laws platform, and whenever the pressure is on the Adam Kinzingers and Liz Cheney’s and Mitt Romney’s of the world will always cave to the most heinous people and ideas within their party rather than accept some kind of political or policy defeat.
Technically, that only really applies for the Presidential election, largely because of the Electoral College. But still, you should never vote for any Republicans anyway, because even affiliating with that den of snakes at this point tells you all you need to know about that candidate.
I disagree strongly, this is actually more of an issue with lawmakers because working in the legislature is all about building political coalitions and cutting deals. Republicans’ political coalition since the 1960s has been economic conservatives (who I think are extremely misguided but I accept will likely be a part of any representative government) and klan members (who should never ever understand any circumstances ever be allowed anywhere near the levers of power). Even if Mitt Romney is a good person in the abstract, when he wants to get a bill gutting Social Security over the vote margin he’s going to be partnering with the Louis Gohmerts and Gym Jordans and MGTs of the world, who are going to expect something in return. Moreover, the Mitt Romneys of this world are capable of learning a lesson, and the lesson the electorate should teach them is that partnering with nazis and klan members leads to crushing political defeats.
There are no good Republicans for any elected office, period. Conservatives can spend a generation or two wandering in the woods asking themselves how they ended up where they did and come back with a new political party, but it’s about forty years past when the grand old one should’ve been thrown on the ash heap.
Well, yeah, I agree in that sense. I just meant that, if Biden dropped out, there would be a bunch of Democratic electors who would be uncommitted. As opposed to if someone dropped out after being elected to Senate or the like, which would probably lead to the government appointing a temporary replacement and scheduling a special election.
I was hoping Joe would faint and trump would explode last night. Then we could start over.
It was pretty bad. There’s not much more to say about that. Trump was bad too, but he was bad in almost the same way 4 and 8 years ago. If I was a conservative, I’d be pretty happy about that debate.
Since the only other likely alternative is a fascist, insurrectionist, felon, rapist who couldn’t finish a thought or sentence we’ve got ourselves a tough spot, but a clear better choice of the two: vote for Biden.
Having our government by a gerontocracy is not going well.
It’s hardly unthinkable. Half the party has been thinking it, now the other half is waking up.
Yeah but it’s too late now.
No it isn’t. The Democrats haven’t had their convention yet.
This is true, it is very possible.
One thing not enough people are discussing is the incumbent advantage though. We’d lose that edge, and be subject to the standard backlash-against-the-last-party phenomenon.
We’d need a candidate strong enough to compensate for that lost advantage. And there’s the big problem, dems have had very few strong leaders since Obama retired. Bernie was our strongest, and he’s not even officially a dem.
Now that Dem donors finally see it is an acceptable talking point? The writing has been clear for a long time Biden isn’t the person for this critical time. It is too late now.
Biden would have been better off skipping all the events and say he can’t validate Trump’s candidacy with a debate. He’s a felon and being tried for crimes unbecoming a president. But now it’s all blown up in his face.
I really don’t think the debate changed any minds, but it did energize one side and depress the other. I doubt that energy can be sustained, attention span is very fleeting.
What s ridiculous premise.
"Somebody said ‘wtf’’
Guess that’s all she wrote, then.
“Wtf” sounds good enough for me in this case. Trump’s donors should say the same thing.
Good enough to replace Biden?
His first term was amazing(for the us and most countries, not great for Gaza).
Nah, wtf don’t cut it.
Ok he is old, but he is coherent, it’s time to bring out Bernie. You know that half the right wanted him…
Bernie decides if Bernie runs. He has already said he won’t though, he’d have to change his mind. He’s also getting up there in years unfortunately.
