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I killed my Spotify account when they started shoveling millions of dollars at Joe Rogan, and everything they’ve done since then only confirms I made the right call.
This one is actually out of their hands. Lyrics aren’t free sadly and they have to pay for API calls. It’s fucking stupid but the labels are the ones at fault here.
Fuck Spotify nonetheless.
Unless there’s some agreement / licensing thing prohibiting it, and considering that lyrics don’t change, they should be able to do some caching for a total of 1 API call per song
You and I can do that but they’re not just caching they’re redistributing which requires royalties
Surely the cost of lyrics (regardless of fetching API or royalties with caching) are miniscule compared to the other costs.
Not sure why you got downvoted… storing text isn’t a lot of data, they can easily do it once per song and wrap it up.
… Why would the lyrics service allow that?
The issue isn’t the storage, it’s the copyright holders
It is not a copyright infringement to display lyrics.
damn thats crazy, i’m out here with my 300GB collection of music that i own and control and i can just, add lyrics to shit if i want to.
I don’t because i’m not deaf and i don’t really care for lyrics all that much, but it’s also just, automated.
Could you add wrong lyrics to songs for me…
i could… Or i could not.
Hmmm, a question of the ages for sure.
I’m a bit confused. Do deaf people listen to music? Lyrics are generally freely available via Google.
Edit: see reply for a good explanation.
Deafness covers a broad spectrum of hearing difficulty, not just completely deaf. Most people that identify as deaf still have some hearing. I always forget that and had the same question as you until I read a comment further down.
It’s likely that the person isn’t fully deaf and so can still hear some music, but deaf enough that they can’t understand the lyrics. Having the ability to view the lyrics in real time is handy rather than having to search them up all the time. Spotify also shows what lyric is currently being sung in real time, whereas you can’t get that with a Google search.
Aha, I didn’t know that. Thanks for the explanation! I’m going to edit my comment above to point to it.
To be fair, it’s more likely the person isn’t deaf at all and is just complaining.
You are a shitty person, good sir!
Why is that more likely?
I don’t get it. They are complaning that their limited free plan is limited?
They’re complaining that one of the things the limited free plan takes away is something they were using to accommodate their disability.
They’re complaining that the limited, free-tier plan is worse than it used to be. And really, for no good reason.
When EA releases Star Wars 2: A Sense Of Pride And Accomplishment, we complain about how stupid that is, do we not?
for no good reason
Hosting costs a lot of money
And they run ads. The free-tier is not actually free, you know.
The 1 or 2 kB of lyrics are a few orders of magnitude smaller than the song being streamed.
The album art probably takes up more space than the lyrics.
So, album art should also be a paid feature?Album art would make way more sense as a paid feature than lyrics, considering it’s a largely cosmetic improvement.
How does it make more sense that “cosmetic” features are in the paid-tier? Would it not be the other way around?
I guess deaf people aren’t allowed to enjoy music like the rest of y’all.
I’m so sorry but this is the absolute funniest shit I have ever read. 😂
Being deaf is a spectrum. There are plenty of people who still have some hearing, and are “hard of hearing”. There’s deaf people who can enjoy music through the use of hearing aids as well. There’s also totally deaf people who can enjoy music because of the vibrations. There’s people whose hearing is just bad enough that they don’t understand what anyone is saying without subtitles/lyrics. Deaf in only one ear, etc.
Another good day to go self hosted.
I agree, but unfortunately, there’s probably not a good self hosted solution to this specific problem.
I use musicbrainz for music tagging, which is an excellent source for all metadata except lyrics. For better or worse, the only decent sources of lyrics seems to be genius and musixmatch, and neither integrate well with tagging tools like musicbrainz Picard.
If anyone else has found an easier way to do this, I would love to hear it.
I’m not sure if the application is safe. It may be malicious. Proceed at your own risk.
I saw a GitHub project called 163MusicLyrics that’s sources the information from Chinese sources (NetEase and QQ).
The entire software is in Chinese, but the results looked really accurate from the sandbox I ran. It’s even actively developed with v6.2 releasing least week. But again, I don’t know if it’s safe.
I’m not good at code but it looks like it’s OSS, so you could verify the code yourself or reverse engineer something with the API calls they use?
Let me know if you come across something though. I’m also looking for a way to get LRC files easily.
EDIT: Also for self hosting, I use Jellyfin with Symfonium, and Tailscale. It works great for me and has been relatively low maintenance.
When listening locally on my computer I use foobar2000 and the OpenLyrics component - but yeah, it falls short sometimes unfortunately. I’ve written myself some scrapers that crawl some sites, but that still requires a bit of manual intervention. I’m still looking for a self-hosted app that can help with tags though, and more in a manual manner; I don’t really like a script assuming that this album is this specific release when it might not be.
Besides, some files have the lyrics already in the tags - often the case when buying/downloading for free from Bandcamp.
Spotify’s lyrics are also shitty, and often out of sync.
I personally don’t really care about synced lyrics. Mine are unsynced for the most part.
I didn’t even know they did that, Glad I don’t have an account with them. I’m partially deaf, most music I can’t understand what someone singing. Those fun things people do of like “most common misheard lyrics” is basically my life. On the plus side I enjoy music from around the world because unintelligible music is unintelligible no matter where it’s from. They’re very few artists I feel like I can understand, and realistically I’m probably wrong.
In real life, I read lips to help augment my terrible hearing. Fun fact during the mask man dates during COVID, was probably the worst time for me. A lot of people I could hear talking as I could hear noise but I could not make out what it was. Leading to a lot of awkward conversations.
Anyhoo, that’s all to say that for music that I do like I do have to see the lyrics. It’s what converts the noise into words.
So, fuck you Spotify, My life’s difficult enough already, I’m not paying your shitty service so you can charge me for my impairment.
most music I can’t understand what someone singing
Just like the rest of us, tbh.
Wit-ta burrdsahl sheardis-a loooooneleeeevieuuuuuuuuuuaaaand
-Red Hot Chilli Peppers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdOtR2A5agc
– How rap sounds to non-English speakers
With the birds I share this lonely view?
Should have used Pearl Jam as the example.
Everyone is going on about this as anti disability, but why does a disability entitle you to a service that’s paid?
Unpaid Spotify sucks, full stop, no matter what part of you works or doesn’t.
I would say, it because the lyrics aren’t something Spotify made. No one’s picking up Spotify because only Spotify has lyrics. Spotify isn’t writing the songs. Regardless of what someone might think of Spotify or Spotify free, it’s withholding something that they have that they didn’t make from people that perhaps need it. It’d be like if broadcast TV or any on demand video service (YouTube, Disney, Netflix, etc.), said hey you didn’t pay no more closed captions for you (where a free version is applicable, of course).
If Spotify wants to put stuff behind a paywall it can be features of the platform.
My personal opinion is Spotify sucks, full stop. The CEO is a real piece of work. This just goes on the pile of reason Spotify sucks.
but why does a disability entitle you to a service that’s paid?
why would you limit the ability to use lyrics though? It’s the same shit that every big article tabloid is doing “pay us five dollar a month and we will show you our articles, that we think are good” after showing you like three, in four months for free.
Either give people access to the service, or don’t, don’t play the bullshit of “well actually, here’s a free sample”
They’re lyrics, intentionally making the service worse for people with hearing disabilities is ableist.
Isn’t the entire world ableist?
I might get a bit of hate for this considering the community name, but Spotify is the one subscription I pay for and don’t feel like I’m getting ripped off. Basically every song I want is on there, they very rarely remove content, and the algorithm actually comes up with decent recommendations. I even like some of the other random features like Spotify wrapped.
But the main difference I see vs other subscriptions is that I don’t feel locked in, since there are no Spotify originals etc if they ever make the service too shit (which admittedly they might since they keep raising the price and trying to shove podcasts down everyone’s throat) I could easily switch to a different streaming service or even go back to just buying music outright
I have Tidal. It costs the same as Spotify but pays artists more and actively promotes up and coming musicians. Also they aren’t part of the military industrial complex, so that’s cool.
Same, Tidal also has better sound quality and a shuffle that actually works
I’m with you on that one. Yeah they are not great. But there are far worse companys.
I just started using Spotify for the first time last year, mainly because I got tired of trying to figure out what this meat paste wanted to listen to
YT is great when you know what you want to hear, but it’s garbage at (music) recommendations (I haven’t tried YT music)
Spoofie isn’t the best, but for right now, it’s worth the price just so I can actually get back to work, and not fiddle with YT for 3 hours looking for music this meat paste wants right now
Although, I’m open to alternatives, if they’re viable
I like Spotify, and when I want to support and artist I buy their merch, or I go see them live (the amount of money they get from ticket sales depends on if it’s a live nation event or not).
I used to like Spotify. Right now YT music feels just way better. No fluff yet, just music. Plus all of the unofficial covers which are on YT are on YT music
YT music does have a problem with reuploaders stealing revenue through “topics”, Upper Echelon made a video about it a few weeks ago
Sounds like a temporary issue but google does take its time to fix anything
That’s definitely the nice thing about YT music for me. Whatever random niche songs my son wants about games or characters, or ordinary popular music any of us listen to, are always on there. Plus we use regular YT all the time on several devices, so it is literally the only streaming service I pay for.
I don’t feel locked in, since there are no Spotify originals etc
I don’t use Spotify so correct me if I’m wrong. But I think Spotify has podcasts that are only available there.
I told my wife about other open source apps that have music without ads, and even though it had the music, there were some podcasts that were not available without Spotify premium outside of Spotify.
You’re probably right there, I don’t listen to podcasts so I was just talking about the music
I’m so confused by people under this post defending a company’s scheme to make more money that disproportionately affects disabled people.
I pay for spoofie premium because it’s convenient
But I’m not defending this money-grubbing behavior
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There’s plenty of sites to buy mp3 and download them onto your devices, owning them forever. Pirate if you want to pirate, but don’t blame others for your behavior.
I donate directly to artists, but fundamentally believe art and commerce are antithetical. And I won’t be shamed into paying exploitative middle men.
Do you also buy eggs from farmers and mangoes and coffee directly in tropical countries or there you are fine with exploitative middle men?
I buy local eggs and tea, and mangoes are gross. But good on ya for being conscious of exploitative middle men!
I never used Spotify, the whole thing seem stupid
Coming from the age of ipods and piracy, Spotify was a great alternative to that and reasonably priced for the usage you could get out of it. These days is harder to justify
Meh 6 people, almost every song we could want for less than 20 bucks is ideal.
That said I am gearing up to change streamer just because they annoy me with UI changes, forcing originals, pushing gigs despite disabling that function…and the longest running gripe of all: let me disable censored songs you cunts. I never want the clean version.
I’ll take youtube music revanced. Installed more than a year ago, never updated since then. Logged in with Google account and still works fine.
Can you tell me what that is?
YouTube Music Premium for free. Make sure you go to https://revanced.app and not any other site, because the rest are fakes.
(FYI you have to compile it yourself but just follow the instructions. It’s really easy.)
Thank you!
A cracked version of the YouTube music premium app. There is also a normal YouTube revanced app, but that one doesn’t work that good anymore for me.
I’ve used Pandora for years. Granted, they don’t have all of the features of Spotify. But, I think their algorithm is better and my price has never changed.
Just use YouTube Music ReVanced. Every premium feature you need, ad-free, $0/mo.
I know Lemmy hates Apple, but if you want a Spotify alternative with good accessibility, then this is pretty cool:
Music Haptics is a new way for users who are deaf or hard of hearing to experience music on iPhone. With this accessibility feature turned on, the Taptic Engine in iPhone plays taps, textures and refined vibrations to the audio of the music. Music Haptics works across millions of songs in the Apple Music catalogue, and will be available as an API for developers to make music more accessible in their apps.
This is actually really cool. And now I wonder if you could use this to produce music specifically designed for haptics only
It’s like we’re circling back to those “extreme bass” CDs from the 90s.
Oh that’s cool.
Apple Music also has read-along lyrics without any extra cost.
So does YouTube Music.
While I agree that this is stupid, why would a deaf person be using Spotify in the first place?
Deafness isn’t binary, they could be capable of hearing the music but not making out the lyrics.
And even people who cannot hear anything at all still feel the bass and stuff.
Relevant funny story from Deaf actor Daniel Durant: https://youtube.com/shorts/eYQKtwkoZOI
As someone who is not deaf, this was a really helpful comment to help me understand, thank you.
To everyone else reading down here, lot of people also don’t really get this same idea with visual impairment and other handicaps.
There are a lot of people who are legally blind, but that just means they can’t make out things at certain distances, and these are why we need things like high-visibility curbs and street markers and large-type text options and other accessibility features that able-bodied people in a wide field of industries often forget about and just assume either people are blind and won’t be using their products, or will have perfect vision. When really there are far more people who are considered deaf or blind who can still enjoy many of the same things as someone with fully faculties and just need a little extra help.
I am only typing this out because we seem to entering a strange time in the developed world where more and more people are withdrawing from the social contract and not extending compassion towards others, particularly those with special needs.
When I was little I thought the future would be a bright and remarkable place where people took care of each other, because those were the messages you see on PBS shows like Mr Rogers and Sesame Street. Turns out, a LOT of people didn’t watch those shows.
as someone who seems to simultaneously be sensitive to sound & hard of hearing + sharp-eyed & near-sighted, i’d like to thank you for this response.
e : visual snow is a binch, also.
Excuse me while I kiss this guy!
Wrapped up like a douche, another runner in the night
While little Early Burly gave my anus curly whirly
(mumbles in yellow led better)
Oh the feelin/ On a voice of betters yeah/ And i said/ I wanna be dead again
I don’t know what your problem is. Yellow Ledbetter is totally understandable
On a wheel, on a wizard, on a whale, Anna no, Anna no I don’t wanna be dead again.
Bunny’s too tight to mention
Makes sense!
Wait, are you supposed to be able to make out the lyrics?
Just to clarify definitions that probably wouldn’t be considered deafness, it would be an audio processing disorder. Ability to hear music but inability to process the words.
Deafness is “binary” in that it just means ones ability to hear sound or not. If you can hear sound even slightly then you just have a hearing impairment and are not deaf.
Deafness is commonly understood to include both total and partial hearing loss. Every major dictionary defines it this way. It might have a more precise meaning in some spheres (medical, etc), but in common English it is not binary the way you’re suggesting.
Similar to blindness which also isn’t an absolute yes or no. People can be blind and still see colors and shapes, but not enough to be able to tell what they are.
No it really isn’t. The hard of hearing are considered deaf. There’s complete deafness, much like there’s complete blindness, but the fact that you’re calling it hearing impairment instead of hard of hearing indicates you aren’t as well versed in Deafness (not to be confused with deafness) as you think
Ability to hear music but inability to process the words.
yes officer take me downtown
So I’m not deaf, not in the slightest, but I struggle to understand lyrics in music. I love music, I live and breathe it and I’m gonna dedicate my life to it, but I’ve always struggled with understanding lyrics in music. To me, the vocalist is just another instrument in the mix. Having lyrics to read helps me appreciate my favorite tunes more!
You might have a smidge of
SpeechAuditory* Processing Disorder. I do and that’s what it’s like for me. Common comorbidity with ADHD and ASD, and possibly other neurotypes.Oh almost certainly. I have ADHD, prolly autistic, and I’ve had many times where my mind stopped processing what people are saying. Which is bad when you work tourism xD
Yyuup. It’s bad in basically any job you have to listen to people during, and I always have to establish with friends that it is an honest mistake when I can’t understand them and/or spaced out.
I’m ADHD and on the spectrum more than likely, and my therapist says that the cutting edge research pertaining to this is leaning towards combining ADHD and ASD into one conglomerate of symptoms because they overlap more often than not.
For me it is certain singers that apparently everyone else understands but I cannot without knowing the words ahead of time. Not just mumbling, some voices just don’t register clearly for me if I don’t know what they are saying.
It can depend on the mixing, too. Not just in regards to volume, but also in how the vocals are edited. My recent obsession has been Dusk at Cubist Castle, shit’s absolutely amazing. The way a lot of the vocals are mixed and processed are super cool, like layering the same lines over themselves five times over with subtle delays and panning, it sounds real cool! But it makes it sound a lot more distant to me as a result.
Yeah, thst is true. But I’m talking about some popular artists like Pearl Jam and Mase who everyone around me apparently could hear clear as day but I just heard mumble mush at first and could only hear the words clearly with printed lyrics in front of me.
Seems like they could just Google the lyrics and read that.
But I guess Spotify lyrics do give an idea on the pace of the song.
Only if they’ve been synched, a lot of lyrics on there aren’t.
Leave spotify when they could just let you stay!
Or pay for the service like they suggested
ew
Long shot guess: deaf person can “listen” to vibrations of music with their hands on a speaker but this is not possible with lyrics?
So imagine you’re listening to rap. But you’re hard of hearing. The beats still slap, but the words aren’t intelligible. Hell the beats are even better because you got a subwoofer that shakes the floor. But you know it’s poetry, it’s about the words as much as the beats. So of course you’d want to read along
Is that you, Helen?
I’ve heard some deaf people like the vibration of certain kinds of music.
