sicko-yes hobbes-pounce

      • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
        11·
        3 months ago

        Well to be fair a lot of historically famous poetry is shit too. Idk maybe they lost a lot in translation, but some don’t i like Iliad and Odyssey for example. I find best historical poetry to be ancient Sumerian-Akkadian (and their epigones), they didn’t give a fuck about million rules just created clear and easy to follow rhytm with repeating.

        To be fair to poetry in general i started to hate it because the Polish romanticist nationalist poetry. There are FUCKTON of it, and they are even worse than all other romanticist poetry because it was the partition time and Poland didn’t exist so you can imagine what those shitty chewed off noble druggie losers could write. Well they are some banger fragments like Mickiewicz apparently predicting socialism as saviour of Poland but mostly its shit but every kid in Poland since WW1 ended was tortured with that for years, and sadly PRL wasn’t an exception.

          • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
            9·
            3 months ago

            Well i meant i like iliad and Odyssey, Polish translations are very good imo.

            I’m pretty mid on Shakespeare, he’s ok, but my two most liked pieces are actually adaptations and a loose ones at that: Throne of Blood and Titus Andronicus (that with Hopkins). What i find funny about Shakespeare is that where i find quotes form him the most often, is the murican sci-fi slop books, they seem to think he’s the absolute pinnacle of entire human culture.

            Also fun fact, his name is easily translatable into Polish: Wilhelm Trzęsidzida

              • ChestRockwell [comrade/them, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
                4·
                3 months ago

                Michael Bay movies of the Renaissance

                Oh come-on, he was more of a Tarantino. Remixer of other more artistic playwrights to make mass culture.

                Also equally purient and into the lowbrow. Which is part of why he’s notable, he was the first real “pop” culture that was made for all classes, rather than just either aristocracy or peasants/tradesmen (i.e. medieval cycle dramas were for the later, the poetry the former).

          • KobaCumTribute [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
            4·
            3 months ago

            They were meant to be episodic, in a way, which means chorus recaps and the like.

            This reminds me that the few times I’ve seen historians earnestly talk about all the “lost epics” of the expanded Iliad poetic universe have been very funny, because at their bluntest they’re just sort of hemming and hawing around a point that’s basically “so it was all just a big fanfic scene, really, and a lot of it was bad, and it represented a bunch of different contradictory canons, and like every character no one even liked got a spinoff epic about them getting lunch that one time… So really it seems the two books we do have seem to be what were considered the best, and certainly were the most popular of all them which is why any copies survived at all.”

            Like obviously they’d still be really neat to have, but it’s really funny to think about how this big chunk of what’s held up as one of the pillars of western literary culture was just like, the contemporary equivalent of a fanfic scene where everyone involved was just kind of making up their own stories about these mythic characters and some of it was popular enough to get repeated down the line and only two stories were popular enough to still be getting copied many centuries later.

              • KobaCumTribute [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
                4·
                3 months ago

                Yeah. I still remember learning that when I was in high school and being confused at how there was just so little left of someone I was at the same time being told was so famous and prolific. I think that was one of the formative steps to realizing just how fragmentary even the most famous bits of history really are, because before that point everything I’d seen about antiquity was always presented with a sort of air of completeness and I never realized how often that vague summaries of a place or person or practice genuinely were the sum total of what’s actually known about them.

      • MaoTheLawn [any, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
        6·
        3 months ago

        Did you enjoy The Lighthouse? The killing of the seabird hits extra hard having read the Rime. Hark Triton.

        It’s a different era of poetry altogether, but some proper old English poetry has made me feel wistful in a way that no other poetry really ever has. I recommend The Seafarer if you like Rime. I’d also recommend The Ruin, and The Wanderer. In all cases though I’d recommend contextualising them, and really trying to understand the weight of the things they’re saying… about the hearth, and the halls, and how it relates to Christianity at the time and all that. For some reason it really just hits me in the gut. The Ruin is probably the easiest to ‘get’ without any context.

        I think Tolkien might even have been the author of some of the most popular translations of those texts.

      • ChestRockwell [comrade/them, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
        6·
        3 months ago

        Coleridge slaps. Also Kubla Khan mercifly tells you that it’s drug poetry right away, so it’s easy to understand as the “fragment of a dream” or whatever he calls it.

        I like the 17th century lyric poetry (Donne, Marvell, etc) though. Very intricate, but in an accessible way (just follow the complex sentence).

      • Smeagolicious [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        4·
        3 months ago

        And now the STORM-BLAST came, and he

        Was tyrannous and strong:

        He struck with his o’ertaking wings,

        And chased us south along.

        With sloping masts and dipping prow,

        As who pursued with yell and blow

        Still treads the shadow of his foe,

        And forward bends his head,

        The ship drove fast, loud roared the blast,

        And southward aye we fled.

        …

        As soon as I read “STORM-BLAST” the first time, I knew that shit was metal

    • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      6·
      3 months ago

      Legit good poem for anyone to have written. If a six-year-old actually wrote this, that amazes me.

  • TerminalEncounter [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
    23·
    3 months ago

    Little kid art is usually so raw and inventive, then something happens around grade 2 and they start sucking. I dunno what it is, I guess they learn what is considered “good” by the hegemonic culture and try representing it? Kids spend the next 10 to 20 years unlearning all that to get back to where they were in kindergarten lol

    • Assian_Candor [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      12·
      3 months ago

      It’s peer pressure and the desire to conform. Right around age 9 they start developing an ego / sense of self, they become less concerned with doing what they want and more concerned with fitting in. Some kid says “your drawing is a mess you don’t even color inside the lines” and you have gone from a prolific and creative artist to a child that doesn’t draw

      • Smeagolicious [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        12·
        3 months ago

        I kept drawing/painting/etc throughout my entire life from an early age and I hate that I have to try so hard to convince people that, yes, they can do art too! It’s not about the common value-derived definition of “talent” (the ability to apply and make money from a skill), I love seeing even rough sketches by people that haven’t done so since they were young.

        This formative peer pressure and the overwhelming push to consider the monetary value in everything first has robbed us, humanity, from so much beautiful art. It’s a tragedy what capital has done, to instill this mode of thought in children to last their entire lives…

        • SuperZutsuki [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          12·
          3 months ago

          As someone that drew and doodled all the time until like 17 what really got in the way of making art was becoming an “adult”, getting a job, and having the life drained from me. School was a place where I always had paper and a pencil in front of me and I rarely had to pay attention to do well in class. I’ve felt like an empty husk for so long. I barely have energy to feed myself and doomscroll after work.

          I also quickly became isolated and alienated after high school. Being without a community of people you love and that love you makes it so difficult to get into that vulnerable state where you can really express yourself. I’m finally starting to find community again after many years of drifting around listlessly. I started taking piano lessons a few years ago and from there got enough of a foundation in music to get over the hump of anxiety about playing with people.

          Recently I stumbled my way into an amazing community of artists, musicians, and performers who have inspired me to create again. I found some friends who are also pretty new to music and we’re putting together a band and having a blast. I painted something for the first time in like 18 years. I’ve been drawing and writing when I can. After so many years that felt barren and devoid of life, this year (really just the past few months) have been so overwhelmingly packed with joy that I’ve been brought to tears multiple times.