I feel like I’ve actually encountered some Libs IRL and in other online spaces who at least sounded more intelligent. Every one that wanders in here just insists that their right, cites Wikipedia, and tries to troll people like a 14 year old who stole their moms laptop.

You think we’d occasionally get a somewhat more articulate one there but I’ve yet yo see it.

  • ZWQbpkzl [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
    55·
    2 months ago

    I’ve seen an hexbear user take the maximalist “stalin and soviet union did nothing wrong” stance and get lectured by an actual soviet historian but that was on another server. Smart people don’t go looking for fights online.

    • Diuretic_Materialism [he/him]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
      38·
      2 months ago

      They could have articulated that better than just spamming “power dynamics” at people constantly.

      Also the more I looked into it the more I was convinced they were a Destiny fan doing a bit.

        • Diuretic_Materialism [he/him]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
          24·
          2 months ago

          Well specifically that whole power dynamics thing came up right when the Destiny sub was having a field day about Hasan having a sus age gap relationship with someone years ago. When someone pointed out the odd correlation in timing there they got really pissed about it.

          Someone made a detailed post about it, but all their drama posts seemed to line up with things the Destiny sub were talking a lot about.

        • DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
          1·
          2 months ago

          Ah, then probably not the same person. Though their arguments were more “the evil authoritarian tankies are oppressing me by pointing out the flaws in my arguments” sort of thing, so they wouldn’t fit in a thread about libs with cogent arguments.

        • InevitableSwing [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
          10·
          2 months ago

          I totally forgot about that Onion-level shit. Haha.

          “MOST OF MY HEROES DON’T APPEAR ON NO STAMPS” but you are invited to bid on my Sotheby’s NFT…

          Description

          Tom Morello, 2022
          Non-Fungible Token ERC-721
          JPEG
          Minted on March 22, 2022

          AN ARRESTING PORTRAIT OF CHUCK D’S PROPHETS OF RAGE COLLABORATOR, TOM MORELLO, TAKEN FROM THE SERIES “MOST OF MY HEROES DON’T APPEAR ON NO STAMPS”

          Chuck D is one of the architects of Hip Hop; politicizing music to speak truth to power. His visual art is personal, it can be found in The Smithsonian and galleries worldwide. His most famous artwork is Public Enemy’s site logo. In 2016 he co-founded Prophets Of Rage alongside members of Rage Against The Machine and Cypress Hill. “Fight The Power” was voted the #2 most important song of all time by Rolling Stone Magazine. Chuck D was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame, in 2013.

          Provenance: Courtesy the artist

          Exhibition History: A physical print of this lot was exhibited from February 1-March 4 2022 as part of Chuck D’s solo exhibition Near Def Experience: Most Of My Heroes Don’t Appear On No Stamps at Adelphi University

          Tom Morello, NFT | The Art and Influence of Hip Hop | 2022 | Sotheby’s

          • Findom_DeLuise [she/her, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
            10·
            2 months ago

            I’m somewhat ashamed to say that I own a piece of Morello merch – some years back, he did a signature guitar wah-wah pedal with Dunlop. Funny thing is, it’s just a regular Dunlop Crybaby wah, but with Zapatista graphics. I didn’t already have a Crybaby, and the used market on those things dried up pretty badly during COVID lockdown, so I said fuck it, $5 above regular new price and I get EZLN livery on my wah? Count me the fuck in.

            Then he went and did this NFT shit. God damn it, Tom.

      • Thallo [love/loves]@hexbear.netEnglish
        13·
        2 months ago

        Remember when people here said AI art was proletarianizing art by taking it from the “”“bourgeois”“” artist class and putting it in the hands of the working class?

      • LanyrdSkynrd [comrade/them, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
        13·
        2 months ago

        One of the early Bitcoin arguments was that it would help marginalized people in the global south who were cut off from traditional banking.

        Fast forward to fairly recently, when some people in Palestine are using crypto to receive aid, Binance cut off access when Israel asked. No court orders necessary. Turns out crypto is easier to freeze than money in traditional banking.

  • axont [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    362·
    2 months ago

    The only example I can remember is on another instance, around a year ago maybe. It was a surprisingly civil conversation between a liberal and some hexbears about the Korean War. The liberal actually knew dates and names of specific documents, knew the names of people on either side, knew stuff about 1950s diplomacy. So i was impressed. There was also a surprising lack of portraying North Korea as a cartoonish dictatorship where haircuts are illegal.

    The liberal still used a liberal framework though and was completely wrong. Any bare level scrutiny over the claims would reveal them as imperialist and racist, but it’s possibly the only time I saw a liberal around here have at least the bare minimum of a presentable argument.

  • SpiderFarmer [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    28·
    2 months ago

    Some libs can be better than a class reductionist commie. But with some of the posts on this site, you generally don’t get the good faith libs. I hear plenty of bad takes here (sometimes I’m the one making them) and it only takes a random lib to wander in and be right once or twice.

  • GnastyGnuts [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    251·
    2 months ago

    I specifically remember a liberal that posted here having kind of a decent response to an argument I made. I don’t even remember what the topic was, but I specifically remember being annoyed by it and feeling a bit b*tched out when a fellow hexbear swooped in to basically cover my ass (but also continue to back me up if I ever show the slightest weakness please).

    Broadly though, the liberals that come here are all needlessly butt-hurt people that got super obsessively mad over some shit they saw posted, and essentially come to us pre-cooked in their desperation to “get even” emotionally.

    I tend to assume most of the smart liberals are self-assured enough to not really care enough about us to post here.

  • abc [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    231·
    2 months ago

    i think if we’d managed to stay federated with like 90% of the annoying instances we probably would’ve gotten one or two over the years. unfortunately our posting power was too strong to sail undetected

  • keepcarrot [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
    191·
    2 months ago

    I feel like we always get ones that are impossibly embarrassingly smug, like to the point where if they said the sky was blue I’d avoid mentioning my opinions on the sky’s colour to avoid association

  • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
    18·
    2 months ago

    The smartest lib I’ve ever encountered basically copy-pasted the technical definition of production functions and tried to use it as a bludgeon in defense of marginalism, that’s it, I’ve literally never encountered any lib here or on the old sub who ever approached that level of misguided articulation

    It’s genuinely hilarious how badly miseducated libs on lemmy are, I’ve yet to see a single one give a convincing definition of the main terms we use, let alone back up their supposedly grounded opposition to our ideologies, they can’t even define their own ideology