I don’t understand why there are so many people who consider themselves “Marxist feminists”, but at the same time are distracted by astrology.

The origin of feminism is working class, and as a working class movement, it is materialist. I don’t know if they at least know what dialectical materialism is, since they don’t see such an abysmal contradiction between astrology (pseudoscience) and feminism (materialism).

They remind me of the liberal “feminist” Gloria Steinem.

And the same with some anarchists.

What do you think about it?

  • CascadeOfLight [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
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    2 months ago

    You’re absolutely right, it’s no real help whatsoever. But there’s also no other actual guide beyond just having to learn the hard way to discern people’s true intentions, which is difficult and exhausting while astrology appears so simple and easy. This is not in any way a justification, just my explanation of why it’s so pervasive and attractive, and why the state of the world cultivates pseudoscientific beliefs in general - of which astrology is merely among the most socially acceptable to display, and therefore has the largest reach.

    I definitely think its use in making life decisions is actively harmful, but it’s hard to pull people away from what may be their strongest social connections. In this way it’s just like any other real religion, which as Marxists we obviously oppose, but we also have to understand that these beliefs, and the psychological need for these beliefs, arise from social conditions of alienation. So until we’re in a position to change social conditions, just attacking the belief system and the people who believe in it won’t achieve results and will just push people away. Especially when so often, the people holding these beliefs will come from among the more marginalized intersections - probably not a coincidence, as if you’re a member of a group who has much more control over their life why would you need to look for guidance in the stars?

    When the time comes, I’m sure there will have to be some kind of cultural revolution to sweep out every kind of pseudoscience, from astrology to crystal healing to reiki to everything else, but until then all we can do is tolerate these beliefs in our allies, push against them in our actual comrades and make sure they’re never used to make the really important organizational decisions.

    • HauntedBySpectacle [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      10·
      2 months ago

      This is not in any way a justification, just my explanation of why it’s so pervasive and attractive

      I see now. I wasn’t sure earlier if you were defending it or not. I think your earlier explanation as to why it appeals to people makes a lot of sense.

      I agree with your assessment here about pseudoscience. Magical thinking is a product of alienation and can give people hope and reassurance, but there’s a fine line between self-soothing and denial of reality and necessity.

      I think we have to be careful to disentangle our view of pseudoscience and magical thinking from judging the character of their adherents. I don’t think we can always ignore these beliefs as an issue for a later date. Addressing these beliefs now can and should be done with empathy. I think this counterreaction to “reddit atheism” has come about from conflating their belligerence, lack of respect, and laundering science for progressive-washed imperialism, with their ontology being incorrect. We have to make a positive case that confronting life’s problems without magical thinking gives people a more genuine agency and sense of agency, which is emotionally fulfilling too.

      as always, Marx put it best:

      The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions.

      We shouldn’t be afraid to call on them, we just have to be careful and empathetic.