• Seleni@lemmy.world
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    27 days ago

    See, this disingenuous argument works better when you just generalize it, because when you get into specifics it looks very different. Example:

    Step 1: label the people that hold the belief that ‘trans people are subhuman trash that need to be excised from society by violence if necessary’ as intolerant

    Step 2: skip diplomacy because they refuse to engage in actual conversation

    Step 3: use force on them because they are actually attacking trans people.

    Although really even parts 2 & 3 are disingenuous, because there are plenty of examples of people trying to engage the intolerant in debate, far beyond what would really be reasonable even. And you’ll also notice that force is rarely, if ever, used against those intolerant folks either, even as they use force, even deadly force.

    Hell, even the law won’t do more than slap their wrists in many cases. I use trans people as an example because until recently, ‘I went on a date with this lady and then found out she was trans, and I was so shocked I killed her’ was an actual legitimate legal defense and several people used it. If we’re being pedantic, that defense is still perfectly acceptable at the national level, as several bills banning it have been introduced, but none have been passed.

    • Jojo, Lady of the West@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      Step 1: someone says trans people are bad and wrong

      Step 1.5: live in a world providing plenty of evidence to the contrary. (No action required)

      Step 2: attempt diplomacy by saying that statement is probably false and its use will be reacted to with force. (Often a previously stated rule and therefore no action required)

      Step 3: use force.

      The fact is, saying that anyone has “skipped diplomacy” is also disingenuous. The discussions bigots are trying to have aren’t novel, they’ve been had to the extent that they are solved. No one “decided” they are bigots and have to get kicked out, it’s a conclusion.

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        26 days ago

        Step 1: someone says trans people are bad and wrong (subtext: and therefore we should do something about it)

        “Oh, but I’m just expressing my opinion. What’s wrong with that? Am I not allowed to have opinions anymore? Surely you are the actually intolerant one, because I only implied that I don’t think trans people should exist by saying they are bad and wrong”

        It’s frustrating because subtext does exist and matter. They only acknowledge the subtext in their bigoted assertions when it’s convenient for them.

        Edit: accidentally a word