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Get fuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked

“This isn’t going to stop,” Allen told the New York Times. “Art is dead, dude. It’s over. A.I. won. Humans lost.”

“But I still want to get paid for it.”

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      25 days ago

      the vast majority of artists don’t make money doing art and never will if they don’t work at a company

      Are you so certain of that?

      I don’t understand this take

      You may be more correct there than you realize, especially regarding my first question there.

      maybe it’s because I’m so into fanfiction but like there will always be millions of people making more art than you know what to do with

      Yeah fanfiction is cool and good but there really are people, from paid-by-commission artists to graphic designers to writers under publisher contracts that are all affected by treat printers. Their material conditions have worsened and precarity has increased. “You got yours,” so to speak, but that doesn’t mean you speak for everyone else there. Losing a job sucks; that shouldn’t be hard for you to understand.

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          25 days ago

          pretty certain the majority of people doing art do not make a living off it

          Even if that were so (and that really depends on how wide your definitions are), does that invalidate the existence of everyone that does try to make a living with their art?

          but like complain about the owners like normal don’t defend IP

          Ideologically absolute anti-IP stances with no considerations for ordinary artists that aren’t IP-hoarding corporations aren’t likely to win over those artists or the people that care about them. You complained about a relative lack of support for your positions here. I am explaining why that is so.

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              but I think again that any complaints on a communist website that defend IP should be pushed back on

              Again. It isn’t just about IP. As @Nakoichi@hexbear.net has already pointed out, people’s labor has been stolen and continues to be stolen. If you can’t accept that or acknowledge that, you’re floating on a cloud of liberal privilege and it’s up to you to come down from it.

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                  25 days ago

                  Again, you’re ignoring the material reality of currently existing (and recently forcibly retired) artists who aren’t “IP” hogs and whose economic precarity has worsened because of treat printers as they are being applied, now, in our current material reality. If you think the only meaningful way to steal art is to physically carry off a painting, I really don’t have anything else to say to you.

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                  25 days ago

                  you say in your other comment that people are defending IP hoarding by defending people on the small scale, but right here you do the exact same thing in reverse - using the morality of piracy on the large scale in order to win an argument grounded in the small scale

                  people are saying ‘small artists that eke by are getting screwed out of compensation for their labour’ and you’re chiming in with ‘why are you trying to stop me from pirating from Marvel?’

                  you’re either purposefully being obtuse about this, or you genuinely are so focused on validating your own piracy that you’re talking right past the conversation entirely