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    27 days ago

    You’ve got a point, if Elon did this for the right people would be screaming corruption, paying people only if they agree to vote the way you want them to is shady as fuck regardless of which side is doing it

    I’m probably just joining you in getting dogpiled here but oh well

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      27 days ago

      I can’t tell if you are being sarcastic or not, because Elon actually is doing that.

      In both these cases, the payment technically isn’t directly for voting for a specific candidate. The payment is for an unrelated action that only someone voting for your candidate would agree with. Either way, still smells bad.

      https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroeloffs/2024/10/07/elon-musks-pac-is-paying-47-for-each-solicited-petition-signature-from-a-swing-state-voter-heres-why-its-controversial/

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        The payment is for an unrelated action that only someone voting for your candidate would agree with.

        Supporting free speech and gun rights (literally all the petition says) is something only a Trump voter would agree with?

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            27 days ago

            Didn’t say that.

            But the petition is being sold here as “pledging to vote for Trump”. which it plainly isn’t. It’s also been sold in this Lemmy thread as paying voters to sign a petition that only Trump voters would ever agree to sign.

            The petition that allegedly only Trump voters would ever agree to sign, only states that you support free speech and gun rights. Whether or not I think Musk actually genuinely supports those things (I don’t) is irrelevant, that’s what the actual petition says.

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              So that’s a no.

              Doesn’t matter though, you’re obviously being disingenuous by treating this as a one-off petition and ignoring the larger context of America PAC that it’s part of.

              But I suspect the full text has even more dogwhistles, and I’d bet it tries to add you to their newsletter.

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              26 days ago

              Can you share the full text of the petition?

              Also confirm whether signing it defaults to adding you to any mailing lists?

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        27 days ago

        I’m not being sarcastic, and I don’t follow American politics that closely so I didn’t know about this. I also don’t see why people think the right response to that is to just do the same thing though

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        I’m not following, I don’t live in the US. If he’s doing it too that also sucks but I don’t think stooping to that level is the way to solve that problem

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          It’s been pointed out that he is in fact doing it, several times actually. I’m actually pretty sure this is directly a result of the Muskrat doing it.

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          Then read through the website linked and understand what is going on here if you’re not following.

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            Having read up on the article about musk doing this, he’s not restricting it to people who are going to vote for a specific party which is the thing I take issue with.

            Nothing wrong with paying people to vote in general, paying people only if they are going to vote the way you want them to sucks

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              Nothing wrong with paying people to vote in general

              It’s literally illegal.

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                Note the “in general” part (paying them to vote in the way they want to)

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                  Note that it’s still illegal to pay someone to vote, full stop. Does not matter if you’re not telling them specifically who to vote for.

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        I can’t actually find the tweet you’re talking about but I’m assuming he’s deleted it or something

        From what people are saying it sounds like he was just paying non voters to vote at all, not restricting it to only people who shared his political beliefs

        I’d applaud it if that was what CAH were doing but they’re specifically whitelisting people they agree with to be able to get the money, IE paying people to agree with them

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          They are paying “people that didn’t vote in 2020”. It is ultimately a foil of Musks rightwing, but not reaaalllyy wiiink. Just theirs it more aimed towards blue voters, but only because the right struggles to insult their godking…but ultimately it is just words and not telling them to VOTE BLUE. Just like Musk is trying to get his predominantly red crowed to register and get paid, but not TELLING them to vote red

          It is completely asinine and a symptom of our trash system.

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            Cah literally say in their FAQ that this is only offered to “the bluest voters” and imply (whether it’s true or not I don’t know) that they have information about who’s voted what and when to verify that

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              Musk is using the same data to target this offer to red-leaning voters, he’s just not being as explicit about it.

              Again, CaH saying the quiet part out loud and being very blatant about it while still being totally legal is the point.

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                26 days ago

                How’s he targeting it though, my understanding was it was just a straight twitter post

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                  Because (as you’ve already stated) you’re ignorant of the larger context of what the America PAC that he created is up to.