Trump has a very good chance of making it back, and when he does, everything he did up to and including 1/6 will be validated. We will be an overtly fascist country for at least four years, but likely longer.
Won’t be hard to do when they don’t have to lie about what a shitty president Biden has been for the poor and middle class. He won 2016 because 6,000,000 lost their homes under Obama and he didn’t do anything meaningful to stop it.
I don’t support it, but I’m a Democratic Socialist. You guys elect shitty people and don’t listen to us and then inexplicably blame us for your failures.
And I do sorta hate that team color is so important to you and yours that it’s going to lead to the US becoming a legit fascist country.
I would if the argument being made was madein good faith and not the ‘welp nothing we can do cause both sides suck’ argument… Have nuance… if not, don’t spout apologist bs here for the right wing terrorists trying to force us inro fascism
Anytime there’s a conversation about trump, fascism, and white supremacists in America, there’s always at least one of the “dEmOcrAtS sHoUld HaVE dOnE MoRe” crowd. It’s so stupid, I can’t help but think it’s very intentional misdirection. Like it’s some astroturfed bullshit from a conservative think tank.
America is shitty for the poor (there is no middle class anymore). So at this point, if voting for someone who is not a fucking fascist dictator is all we can do, then that’s what we’re going to do.
Yep, and the GD “liberal media” is not helping when they continue to play this horse race nonsense like the cowardly corporate quislings that they are. They are acting like nothing is really at stake other than which party is running things and that “both sides” are more or less equal.
True - just like in 2016, they played the “oh my word, some people find Hillary problematic, or too shrill, or too much non-male, and whataboutthoseemails and isn’t she over-prepared for debates, and ermagawd she fainted, I tellz ya!” and other stupid and dangerous games… - they are now doing the “some people” find Biden too old, etc.
What you think is irrelevant. You’re just as powerless as the rest of us to stop this.
We voted anti-fascist in 2020. What we got was (depending on where you live) a 30% - 50% cost of living increase, a trillion-plus war spending per year (and we can’t know the exact figure because we’re funding other countries’ wars now too), a national abortion ban, and zero action on housing scarcity on top of it. We got no meaningful action against anyone involved in the January 6th domestic terrorist attack, despite Biden having Congress on top of the presidency. We might be lucky and get one high-profile Proud Boy behind bars, maybe.
This isn’t an intentional misdirection. This is reality.
The people we voted for did a shit job, and as we saw in 1930’s Germany, no one is going to care if a person is fascist or not if that person is the candidate of change. 2024 is a lost cause, and it’s because Democrats didn’t do more when we handed them power.
What we got was (depending on where you live) a 30% - 50% cost of living increase,
Coat of living going up by ridiculous levels is a global issue, not an exclusively American problem, and certainly not caused exclusively and personally by the current American president.
IMO COL increases were mainly driven by record inflation in housing due to COVID coinciding with record low interest rates. Then there was also the cartel setting the price of gas high to recoup their pandemic belt-tightening, legitimate and illegitimate supply chain issues, and corporate interests hiking prices in order to pad their profit margins as the government cheese shop was starting to close up.
These conditions were somewhat similar no matter which country you live in, and played out in similar ways on a global scale.
Has nobody on the internet ever read a history book? Who cares what Congress thinks when you have an autocrat jailing his political opponents? It’s not relevant anymore.
This. Far too many sympathetic fascist-curious, fascist-adjacent, and outright fascists in the Republican Party (and the police, and the army and the FBI, etc…) that DGAF about institutional norms.
We still have not even gotten to the bottom of their coup attempt - just WHY did they issue stand-down orders for J6? What was Flynn’s involvement, as well as his BROTHER’S involvement?
These people thought they were going to get away with it. We already nearly lost our country - these assholes are likely to make sure they don’t fail next time.
In order for Donald Trump to become an autocrat, he’d have to dissolve 2 of the 3 branches of government. In order to dissolve the branches of government, he’d need one of the branches of government that he doesn’t control to agree to be dissolved. Then the SCOTUS would have to rule on the constitutionality of Congress being eliminated, which, if they’re acting ethically (har har) they would immediately halt. He can sign executive orders, but the more EOs a president signs, the more they create tension within the voting population, potentially leading to unrest and if left unchecked, worse.
All of that shit goes out the window when you have an army of racist cops, and potentially the actual US military backing you. I’d like to think they’d shut it down real quick, but enlisted men are overwhelmingly conservative (and Trump supporters) if I recall. There are militias who have been “training” (most of them are probably a joke, but let’s not forget what the Bundys did with just a few guys) for decades for a moment like this.
This is what I meant when I mentioned reading history books. This is far from uncharted territory. This is how these things happen historically. We’re watching it happen in realtime.
Civil war might be preferable to letting them take power peacefully because it won’t stay peaceful. I have no doubt that they’ll find people to run death camps if it comes to that, my question is how much will everyone else do to oppose them. If they start arresting journalists, then that’s a sign that it’s about to get very bad.
He’ll have to find a way to get Congress to approve a bill that eliminates themselves and the judicial branch of government first.
He is a dictator… I feel like if we get to that point… Congress agreeing to bills is the least of our problems coming
Agreed.
Trump has a very good chance of making it back, and when he does, everything he did up to and including 1/6 will be validated. We will be an overtly fascist country for at least four years, but likely longer.
Step one is to pack congress with republicans. Mostly with total disregard for the law or morality, as that’s Trump’s modus operandi.
Won’t be hard to do when they don’t have to lie about what a shitty president Biden has been for the poor and middle class. He won 2016 because 6,000,000 lost their homes under Obama and he didn’t do anything meaningful to stop it.
“I’m mad at president bidenz so I support a fascist dictator taking over to make sure I get revenge on the party I feel wronged me…”
Be gone traitor.
I don’t support it, but I’m a Democratic Socialist. You guys elect shitty people and don’t listen to us and then inexplicably blame us for your failures.
And I do sorta hate that team color is so important to you and yours that it’s going to lead to the US becoming a legit fascist country.
Uh huh… Yeah, very convincing argument…
If you don’t want a hive-mind of samey ideas then don’t dismiss ideas outright because you don’t agree. What a disgusting point of view.
Why not reflect on how easy it would be to find a comment like yours in some right wing trumper sub?
I would if the argument being made was madein good faith and not the ‘welp nothing we can do cause both sides suck’ argument… Have nuance… if not, don’t spout apologist bs here for the right wing terrorists trying to force us inro fascism
I am truly sorry i replied to you. Good day.
Yeah, me too… still trying to figure out what your point in defending traitors to the constitution and nazi maga sympathizers, was…
Anytime there’s a conversation about trump, fascism, and white supremacists in America, there’s always at least one of the “dEmOcrAtS sHoUld HaVE dOnE MoRe” crowd. It’s so stupid, I can’t help but think it’s very intentional misdirection. Like it’s some astroturfed bullshit from a conservative think tank.
America is shitty for the poor (there is no middle class anymore). So at this point, if voting for someone who is not a fucking fascist dictator is all we can do, then that’s what we’re going to do.
Yep, and the GD “liberal media” is not helping when they continue to play this horse race nonsense like the cowardly corporate quislings that they are. They are acting like nothing is really at stake other than which party is running things and that “both sides” are more or less equal.
This is just not true.
While low-key promoting Trump as the de facto front-runner in the process
True - just like in 2016, they played the “oh my word, some people find Hillary problematic, or too shrill, or too much non-male, and whataboutthoseemails and isn’t she over-prepared for debates, and ermagawd she fainted, I tellz ya!” and other stupid and dangerous games… - they are now doing the “some people” find Biden too old, etc.
Joe Quimby is so weak he allowed Sideshow Bob, a convicted criminal, out of prison. So you should vote for Sideshow Bob!
It isn’t all we can do, but it’s a pretty good thing to do. It’s part of my Diversity of Tactics.
The real question is, how do I know this isn’t some kind of misdirection from an even more dangerous opinion for both parties?
What you think is irrelevant. You’re just as powerless as the rest of us to stop this.
We voted anti-fascist in 2020. What we got was (depending on where you live) a 30% - 50% cost of living increase, a trillion-plus war spending per year (and we can’t know the exact figure because we’re funding other countries’ wars now too), a national abortion ban, and zero action on housing scarcity on top of it. We got no meaningful action against anyone involved in the January 6th domestic terrorist attack, despite Biden having Congress on top of the presidency. We might be lucky and get one high-profile Proud Boy behind bars, maybe.
This isn’t an intentional misdirection. This is reality.
The people we voted for did a shit job, and as we saw in 1930’s Germany, no one is going to care if a person is fascist or not if that person is the candidate of change. 2024 is a lost cause, and it’s because Democrats didn’t do more when we handed them power.
Coat of living going up by ridiculous levels is a global issue, not an exclusively American problem, and certainly not caused exclusively and personally by the current American president.
IMO COL increases were mainly driven by record inflation in housing due to COVID coinciding with record low interest rates. Then there was also the cartel setting the price of gas high to recoup their pandemic belt-tightening, legitimate and illegitimate supply chain issues, and corporate interests hiking prices in order to pad their profit margins as the government cheese shop was starting to close up.
These conditions were somewhat similar no matter which country you live in, and played out in similar ways on a global scale.
Bro, what are you even talking about? Are you lost?
Has nobody on the internet ever read a history book? Who cares what Congress thinks when you have an autocrat jailing his political opponents? It’s not relevant anymore.
This. Far too many sympathetic fascist-curious, fascist-adjacent, and outright fascists in the Republican Party (and the police, and the army and the FBI, etc…) that DGAF about institutional norms.
We still have not even gotten to the bottom of their coup attempt - just WHY did they issue stand-down orders for J6? What was Flynn’s involvement, as well as his BROTHER’S involvement?
These people thought they were going to get away with it. We already nearly lost our country - these assholes are likely to make sure they don’t fail next time.
In order for Donald Trump to become an autocrat, he’d have to dissolve 2 of the 3 branches of government. In order to dissolve the branches of government, he’d need one of the branches of government that he doesn’t control to agree to be dissolved. Then the SCOTUS would have to rule on the constitutionality of Congress being eliminated, which, if they’re acting ethically (har har) they would immediately halt. He can sign executive orders, but the more EOs a president signs, the more they create tension within the voting population, potentially leading to unrest and if left unchecked, worse.
All of that shit goes out the window when you have an army of racist cops, and potentially the actual US military backing you. I’d like to think they’d shut it down real quick, but enlisted men are overwhelmingly conservative (and Trump supporters) if I recall. There are militias who have been “training” (most of them are probably a joke, but let’s not forget what the Bundys did with just a few guys) for decades for a moment like this.
This is what I meant when I mentioned reading history books. This is far from uncharted territory. This is how these things happen historically. We’re watching it happen in realtime.
Civil war might be preferable to letting them take power peacefully because it won’t stay peaceful. I have no doubt that they’ll find people to run death camps if it comes to that, my question is how much will everyone else do to oppose them. If they start arresting journalists, then that’s a sign that it’s about to get very bad.
By then, it’s too late.
you mean a republican controlled Congress to pack the courts with?