It appears another "gigaleak" has gone down, involving Nintendo. According to sources online, it appears that Game Freak has been hacked, resulting in internal data from the company being leaked to the public. Those involved in the hacking community or those within general Pokemon related groups...
    • HowManyNimons@lemmy.worldEnglish
      29·
      2 months ago

      Sort of. The same game, over and over, each time in a different colour, each time with a higher pixel density, each time a little bit worse.

    • Psythik@lemmy.worldEnglish
      71·
      2 months ago

      Which is exactly why I stopped playing after Gen 2, which was the peak of the series IMO. If you want to see everything the series has to offer, just play Gold/Silver (or their remakes on the DS). No reason to waste time and money on any other Pokémon game.

      • Semjaza@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
        41·
        2 months ago

        I kinda agree, but B2/W2 was actually peak Pokémon. You should give those games a go, it’s samey but polished to rubbish-bag shiny perfection.

      • ipkpjersi@lemmy.mlEnglish
        2·
        2 months ago

        Gen 4 was peak IMO, both the new Pokemon were excellent as well as the best remakes ever made. Gen 4 has Platinum and HeartGold SoulSilver which are the best games in the series.

      • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        1·
        2 months ago

        Pokemon Black/White 1 & 2 are as close to that as you want. Great story, amazing songs that i still hum to this day, and the designs are as solid as Gen 1 and 2.

      • frozen@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyzEnglish
        1·
        2 months ago

        Radical Red and Polished Crystal are peak, in my opinion. I can’t go back to the lack of special/physical split, it’s just awful.

          • frozen@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyzEnglish
            2·
            2 months ago

            I have! It was great as well. I think it’s my favorite original romhack so far. I’m planning on playing Insurgence next, although that’s a fan-game as opposed to real romhack.

            • LucidNightmare@lemm.eeEnglish
              2·
              2 months ago

              I’ve got Insurgence, and Reborn ready to go as soon as I get through Unbound! I’m glad you’ve been able to enjoy these so much! As soon as Did You Know Gaming released a video about Nintendo taking down fan games and rom hacks, I immediately went and got as many of the more polished and lauded ones as soon as I possibly could! :)

        • Brutticus@lemm.eeEnglish
          1·
          2 months ago

          I really liked Prism. And I don’t know, Radical Red just played different from how I like my single player pokemon experience.

  • PunchingWood@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2022·
    2 months ago

    Next headline “Hackers disappointed that the hacked source code is apparently just the same as the last 16 games”

  • misk@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    14723·
    2 months ago

    In my head this is a retribution for financing hackers that attacked Internet Archive and nobody can convince me otherwise

      • misk@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        8526·
        2 months ago

        It’s like Lenin said, you look for the person who will benefit… And, uh… You know, you’ll, uh… You know what I mean.

        The Dude

        „Who benefits the most” from attacking Internet Archive? Big copyright holders whose content was distributed via Internet Archive. The reason given by the group claiming responsibility is so silly I don’t believe it.

        [edit] I’ll add to this comment so that I don’t have to reply to everyone specifically.

        I don’t believe that if you wanted to attack USA (as people claiming responsibility did) you’d attack it in a way that benefits big corporations most. It sounds like a flimsy distraction from true perpetrators.

        • pivot_root@lemmy.worldEnglish
          153·
          2 months ago

          You can believe what you want, but there’s absolutely no way you would be correct. Any large company sponsoring a cyber attack, if caught, would be nailed to the wall and made an example of. The extreme risks are simply not worth the comparatively small reward of reducing a tiny fraction of piracy.

          A more realistic and reasonable avenue would have been to sponsor the companies going after IA for copyright infringement as a result of them loaning out unlimited digital copies of books without DRM.

          • misk@sopuli.xyzEnglish
            163·
            2 months ago

            This is a very valid point, yet companies do shady stuff all the time and some even get caught via subpoenas and such. Nintendo can do it in a way that will never be noticeable on their books for sure.

        • Schmoo@slrpnk.netEnglish
          5·
          2 months ago

          For those curious, this account on Xitter claimed responsibility. Their stated reasons are indeed ridiculous, but I don’t at all have a hard time believing that people can be that misguided.

    • ronflex@lemmy.worldEnglish
      376·
      2 months ago

      This is a conspiracy theory I’m completely behind. With all the moves Nintendo has made recently this was the first thing I thought when Internet Archive was compromised

  • Wolfram@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1108·
    2 months ago

    Good. Couldn’t have happened to a worse company other than Nintendo.

    Now people can verify if Gamefreak’s excuses for not including all Pokemon in each game since the Switch games are real. And verify how low effort their games are.

    • HowManyNimons@lemmy.worldEnglish
      385·
      2 months ago

      Nintendo aren’t the worst company. Not even the worst gaming company. Not when they have competition like Ubisoft and Warner Brothers and EA and Activision.

      Of course, if it weren’t for the presence of the aforementioned companies, Nintendo would be the worst.

      • Pieisawesome@lemmy.worldEnglish
        325·
        2 months ago

        I mean they take like 33% of that guy named bowser’s life earnings. Which are severely reduced because they also got him thrown in jail for a felony.

        That’s pretty uniquely evil

        • Cypher@lemmy.worldEnglish
          137·
          2 months ago

          That’s hardly unique when damages exceed what a person can pay, wage garnishing is actually relatively common.

          Nintendo also gave Gary Bowser a warning and he signed an agreement saying he would stop his illegal activities… and then he continued anyway.

          They gave him an out at no cost and instead he landed himself in prison because he fucked around and found out.

          • Pieisawesome@lemmy.worldEnglish
            134·
            2 months ago

            I agree that bowser brought the final outcome on himself, however, that does not expunge Nintendo of guilt.

            They continue to collect their 30% or however much it is.

              • grrgyle@slrpnk.netEnglish
                111·
                2 months ago

                If you read the above thread and don’t see it, it’s because they’re overly vindictive. Garnishing someone’s wages is obscene when they’re so incredibly rich. They don’t even need it

                • Cypher@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  1·
                  2 months ago

                  That’s just punitive damages awarded by the court and also isn’t unusual.

        • Sebastrion@leminal.spaceEnglish
          87·
          2 months ago

          I don’t know why people defend Gary Bowser like he is an innocent dude. He was part of a Hacker Group that hacked Nintendo Switch, 3DS, GameCube, NES Classic, Xbox and Xbox 360, PlayStation. They SOLD the hacked device’s. He wasn’t your Neighbor that hacked your Switch for a beer. They made Business with it for 10 years. Besides that, Nintendo wasn’t the Person who decided the sentence. It was a Judge. What do you think Nintendo should do? The Judge ruled him for Prison and 14.5 Million and Nintendo says publicly: “No thanks.” Yeah the sentence is way to hard, but the problem is the law and the Judge.

          • Pieisawesome@lemmy.worldEnglish
            4·
            2 months ago

            As I mentioned in other comments, I have no illusions that Gary Bowser is innocent or didn’t bring this all on himself. It’s his own fault he kept doing what he was doing.

            However, the court doesn’t follow Gary from job to job initiating the process to garnish his wages.

            It’s nintendo who is continuing to persecute Gary at this point, not the courts. Garnishing someone’s minimum wage job as a billion dollar corporation is uniquely evil.

            I could be wrong, but I have not seen anything remotely close from EA, activision, blizzard, Microsoft, Sony, etc. and my original point was this is uniquely evil to Nintendo.

            • Sebastrion@leminal.spaceEnglish
              6·
              2 months ago

              Sony in the early 2000 was going crazy for Modchips for PS2. They had multiple Cord cases in Europe, in multiple countries and many People needed to pay money in different Country’s.

              Later in 2011 George Hotz hacked the PS3, Sony warned him and he stopped. So we don’t know how it would have ended if Sony and George ended up in Cord.

              Nintendo also warned Team Xecuter multiple times but the Team wasn’t interested in stopping. There isn’t much difference between PlayStation and Nintendo.

      • yamanii@lemmy.worldEnglish
        12·
        2 months ago

        As bad as they are, EA isn’t sending lawyers to every fan project that revives their old games, they are just regular greedy, not petty greedy. Ubisoft to this day ignores Rayman Redemption too.

      • smegEnglish
        6·
        2 months ago

        I’d say they’re not even the worst of the big three console manufacturers. The stuff Microsoft and Sony do to the gaming industry is just as bad, but that’s ignoring that they both have their fingers in a lot of other technological pies where they do some really bad shit.

    • DesolateMood@lemm.eeEnglish
      18·
      2 months ago

      Source code is only for HG/SS and B2W2, so we still can’t verify anything about the newer genes

    • goferking0@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
      71·
      2 months ago

      Now people can verify if Gamefreak’s excuses for not including all Pokemon in each game since the Switch games are real. And verify how low effort their games are.

      Wasn’t it true, but due to time not technical issues. Basically they keep redoing/remaking from scratch sprites instead of re-using them.

      • Liz@midwest.socialEnglish
        81·
        2 months ago

        Nah, some folks got a hold of the wire frames for the sprites from the that version and the previous version and showed most were identical. Of those that weren’t, many were only slightly modified, and clearly not generated from scratch.

      • Wolfram@lemmy.worldEnglish
        82·
        2 months ago

        Evidence wouldn’t be as concrete as source code, but there was plenty of evidence from data miners. Gamefreak kept moving goal posts when it came to why it wasn’t feasible for Sword and Shield to have all the Pokémon which is my frustration with that situation. I think they complained about the capacity of the cartridge the games were stored on was one, which was readily proven wrong. Dont quote me on that. But I do think the situation with the models was ultimately the case.

      • Charzard4261@programming.devEnglish
        4·
        2 months ago

        Nope. The models have stayed the same from X&Y to Sword and Shield. Only in Scarlet and Violet have they been given an upgrade.

    • Farid@startrek.websiteEnglish
      511·
      2 months ago

      You can’t patent code, and it’s automatically copyright protected. Nintendo just needs to prove they wrote the code originally, which should be easy.

      • parpol@programming.devEnglish
        101·
        2 months ago

        You can patent the features that the code makes up.

        Also, Nintendo has patented features existing in other games long before, and it hasn’t stopped them. The current lawsuit against palworld contains patent claims for features they do not actually own, which is why they need 100 different lawsuits coming their way so they get a taste of their own medicine.

        They have an easy time suing one or two entities, but 100 different ones will have a significant economic impact.

  • IDrawPoorly@lemm.eeEnglish
    561·
    2 months ago

    I mean, people have already created the majority of their good games from scratch so…

  • Meron35@lemmy.worldEnglish
    554·
    2 months ago

    Love how everyone in the comments are shitting on Nintendo and Game Freak lmao

    • Jomega@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2816·
      2 months ago

      I swear to god, the Lemmy hive mind is even more intense than their predecessor.

      • pancakes@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        351·
        2 months ago

        That’s like whining that everyone hates Blizzard or Ubisoft because of some hive mind mentality. Could it be that maybe it’s just a commonly hated company based off their unethical actions over the last 10+ years?

        • Jomega@lemmy.worldEnglish
          412·
          2 months ago

          Here’s the difference though: most people outside of Lemmy don’t care about Nintendo’s copyright lawsuits enough that it’s the only thing they talk about whenever they hear the name. The fact that every comment expresses the same thing is the part that feels like a hive mind. Some criticism of a large corporation is one thing, but how strongly Lemmy holds that opinion feels cultish. Blizzard’s leadership protects sex abusers and Ubisoft has had a work culture many describe as nightmarish for decades. Seeing Nintendo put on that level for something not even unique to them makes me think some of you don’t know what nuance or perspective are.

          • pancakes@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            16·
            2 months ago

            I disagree. Nintendo isn’t just some company that has legal beef and comparing their shitiness with Blizzard’s is like comparing apples to oranges.

            Nintendo is a litigious bully and patent troll that has a long, long list of hurting the fans that love their games. They don’t just settle for cease and desists, they historically ruin people’s lives (see Gary Bowser). What feels even worse about Nintendo is the complete misaligned of their product/ brand vs. how they treat fans. You can point to similar companies like Disney and I say that yes, I would happily cheer on any misfortune that comes to them with the same fervor as Nintendo.

            • Jomega@lemmy.worldEnglish
              55·
              2 months ago

              comparing their shitiness with Blizzard’s is like comparing apples to oranges.

              That’s… what I said.

              My point is supposed to be that Lemmy acts as a though they’re the devil, when in reality they’re just the regular amount of corporate shitty. All of what you said is true, and I’m not trying to convince you it isn’t. It just feels surreal how every comment in here is the same, like it’s the same person behind every username. I get no sense of individuality here, ya know ?

              • pancakes@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                5·
                2 months ago

                But that whole argument follows the logical fallacy “whataboutism” to downplay X because Y and Z also do bad things. Just because you perceive something to be in line with a standard baseline of corporate shitiness doesn’t mean it’s not worth criticizing.

                As for individualism, it’s no secret that lemmy is somewhat left leaning which contributes to the general vibe. From my experience there is a lot more nuance and depth to the discussions that happen here when factoring in population size compared to other similar areas of the internet.

          • ipkpjersi@lemmy.mlEnglish
            1·
            2 months ago

            No other company aggressively goes after its fans quite like Nintendo does. Nintendo have not only gone after fan projects made by fans showing their love for their beloved games, but also gone after community-run tournaments that in no way affect Nintendo, etc. Nintendo are pretty awful.

      • ApollosArrow@lemmy.worldEnglish
        81·
        2 months ago

        I know you’re being downvoted, but I had the same thought. I see more outcry over nintendo than other companies. Yes, Nintendo has done bad things, but if I were to go back and browse Reddit I feel like the level of hate on Lemmy is much higher. I have to assume it’s due to the open source nature of Lemmy and it’s ideals.

      • sexual_tomato@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        61·
        2 months ago

        Wow, everyone left another platform and were inspired to leave for the same reason, as a group. Now they’re showing extreme similarities in other ways! When will the madness stop??!

  • excral@feddit.orgEnglish
    49·
    2 months ago

    I’m waiting in for the headline in a couple days or so:

    Another hack at Gamefreak: Hackers upload fixed source codes

    Unknown hackers have fixed the frame rate issues while upgrading the graphics quality to the level of the earliest Switch titles like Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild.

    • GHiLA@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      44·
      2 months ago

      Hobbyists have made Pokemon clones in their basement for decades. They never needed the source code.

      If I’m not mistaken, there’s an entire online RPG ran by hobbyists.

      • okamiueru@lemmy.worldEnglish
        111·
        2 months ago

        Maybe this was an intentional leak. Now the Nintendo lawyers can claim they’ve used stolen proprietary code?

        • KingOfTheCouch@lemmy.caEnglish
          12·
          2 months ago

          Copyright of code doesn’t work that way. Now if some idiot goes and uses that code in a game, yeah, they’d have a rough time in court.

          If Nintendo thought there was infringement already, and wanted to prove it in court, there are means to securely prove it with redactions and NDA’s and so forth as it would be considered trade secret.

      • Echo DotEnglish
        52·
        2 months ago

        They literally never introduce any new concepts to their games I think the last new innovation in the pokemon game is supposed to allow you to have two vs two. That was about 10 years ago I think

        • gerbler@lemmy.worldEnglish
          20·
          2 months ago

          I’m so so sorry to do this to you. Double battles were introduced with Ruby and Sapphire… 22 years ago…

        • PraiseTheSoup@lemm.eeEnglish
          6·
          2 months ago

          I like to shit on Pokemon and Nintendo as much as the rest of them but this isn’t really true. Legends: Arceus, while not a great pokemon game overall, introduced several new mechanics, some of which then made their way into Scarlet/Violet. The biggest and best of which, in my opinion, is the ability to catch wild pokemon without battling them.

          • Echo DotEnglish
            25·
            2 months ago

            You have always been able to throw a ball at an unharmed Pokémon to capture it. Just had a very low chance of success unless it was either very low level or it was a great ball or one of the other ones they introduced later. But even back in red and blue you could always try it and it might work.

            • PraiseTheSoup@lemm.eeEnglish
              1·
              2 months ago

              but you still had to initiate a battle. Unless you’re just playing stupid, you should go watch some Arceus gameplay to see what I mean.

    • Jomega@lemmy.worldEnglish
      62·
      2 months ago

      It’s beta builds of old games. It’s only valuable to super fans who wanted to see what could have been.

        • Jomega@lemmy.worldEnglish
          22·
          2 months ago

          I thought the leaker saw those and decided to not reveal too many details other than they exist? There’s a sentence about it in the article.