Hell, it’s okay to be against abortion and advising people against it if that aligns with your belief, but legislating against it to the detriment of women too? Women who want to get an abortion will get an abortion, whether it’s freely available or not. I live in a country where that is the case, and trust me, it being illegal does not “save” or help anyone. We just see more women risking their lives for something that could’ve been safe for at least one of the “living” beings involved in the process.

Being pro forced pregnancy is not about “saving children”, its about controling women. Conservatives hate that they can vote now

What you’re witnessing is a travesty to be sure. As someone that doesn’t think like these assholes, I’m left as confused as you are. That said, I’m sitting in this frying-pan and have had some time to think about it while the heat rises.

An optimistic view would have me think: these are religious fundamentalists that are focused on the present and are not at all future-focused on outcomes or unintended consequences. As die-hard religious types, data, logic, and sound reasoning are all superseded by faith and feelings. It’s no conspiracy, but rather an outcome of The Southern Strategy which is more or less an artificial “movement” generated by the GOP. Hopefully, a major shift in politics would see this all go away or greatly diminish in the public eye.

A pessimistic view has me thinking that this is an artifact, a symptom, of an upper-class funding policy to punch down on everyone in order to create a robust underclass to rule. This means saddling the middle-class with more debt, expenses, and fewer options than before, rendering them poor and less of a threat. For the whole abortion issue, it means eliminating all but the most expensive and labor-intensive option for pregnancy: birth and child-rearing. This may also be a ham-fisted way to force positive (or more positive) population growth which also translates to more economic activity an profit for the top. This is also fueled by a very expensive child-care and healthcare markets. These days, parents get horribly crunched trying to balance two household incomes, health expenses, and basic workday supervision for their kids. People are being asked, more and more, to either settle for a lower standard of living, spend their way to being poorer, or just have fewer children. The latter stops being an option with right-wing policy like the topic at hand.

Logically one must conclude that it’s not at all about saving lives.

It makes more sense when you realize it’s not about protecting life. It’s about controlling women and punishing them for having sex.

Don’t forget…

• Say that only people born in this country count as Americans

• Refuse to pass legislation supporting maternity / paternity leave, Pre-K childcare, paid school lunches, or aid for first-time home buyers

• Make the act of getting pregnant incredibly dangerous

• Freak the fuck out when the youngest generation of adults starts having fewer children

Those of us who aren’t far-right chuds in the USA have a saying about right-wing policy that may explain the phenomenon: “The cruelty is the point.”

They just want to control women.

It’s got nothing to do with morality.

I hate how modern journalism uses phrases to distance us from the harsh reality, like “mortality rates increased” instead of “people killed by government policy”, “officer involved shooting” instead on “murdered by police”, “abortion rights” instead of “human rights”.

Two reasons this falls apart:

1. Abortion is healthcare. There are conditions that can’t be helped by anything else.
2. They don’t give a shit about mortality rates because it’s someone else doing all the dying (until it’s not).

If you want an actual “answer”, some christians believe the following:

1. Unborn children are sent from God to populate his earth.
2. They are at birth only burdened with “original sin”, which Jesus lived and died for.
3. They believe a child not baptized, and not on the Jesus train still have the stain of original sin. So they believe that soul is fucked, as it never had the chance to get to heaven. That’s why they believe abortion is especially heinous.

Next:

1. Many Christians believe in prosperity doctrine, wherein when you see someone doing well, that’s because they are aligned with God in some way or form, and their success is god’s success.
2. If you see someone doing poorly, it is because they have not accepted Jesus.

Healthcare:

1. Many believe that illness and failure are reflections of sin at worst, or simply god’s tests at Best.

2. As before, lack of money for healthcare is attributed to a lack of alignment with God, as if he intended for you to get that healthcare, you would.

So the conclusion of this delusional mindset is that children must be given the chance at baptism to get their soul on the way to heaven.

Adults need to align with God in their lifestyle and choices, else bad things will happen and it’s all their fault. So when you see an adult failing, it’s not like they didn’t have a chance to get right with God!

Because this is Lemmy, be clear, I do not hold this position but was raised in Christianity.

Edit there are people that actually, truly believe a fetus killed by abortion is murder of the darkest sort: a murder that robs the soul’s chance at heaven. That not only are you “killing”, but you are killing in a very, very dark way.

Of those who actually believe this, I can’t imagine any compromise being reached, ever. How do you compromise with "willfully casting a soul into eternal darkness?

Many fake Christians only approach this topic from a control standpoint: they want to dominate others through fear. But the real believers are on another planet.

It’s actually incredibly straightforward. The cruelty is the point

Can’t believe the Eugenics Party would do this.

Still, the owners of those private prisons are going to make a killing when all those unwanted kids grow up into unwanted, traumatised adults.